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If you go to the lojban site you will find a couple of discussions on
curses, and swearing. Since the language is based on creating logically
verifiable statements, most curses simply do *not* parse, at least not IN
lojban. The closest you may come is *do bebna* (you are a fool) though that
does not fulfill the emotional catharsis of calling somebody a "fucking
retard" even if it is logically equivalent.

mi'e brais

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Anton Golov <kdesevis@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 17 December 2011 16:55, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't believe a word of that. Especially the part about "intellectual
> > exercise".
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> This has been revisited from time-to-time and the outcome is always that
> >> curses and such are deeply invested in cultural context. As such a
> language
> >> that is designed to be culturally neutral does not provide curses
> outside of
> >> the cultural context of the particular user. For anyone is raised with
> >> lojban as their primary language, the concept of cursing, and expletives
> >> will likely be an intellectual exercise, rather than an emotional
> outburst.
> >>
> >> mi'e brais
> >>
>
> It seems more likely that if people were raised with Lojban as their
> primary language, they would develop a vocabulary of curses and
> euphemisms of their own.
>
> mi'e jesyspa
>
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<font face=3D"comic sans ms,sans-serif">If you go to the lojban site you wi=
ll find a couple of discussions on curses, and swearing. Since the language=
 is based on creating logically verifiable statements, most curses simply d=
o <i>not</i> parse, at least not IN lojban. The closest you may come is <b>=
do bebna</b> (you are a fool) though that does not fulfill the emotional ca=
tharsis of calling somebody a &quot;fucking retard&quot; even if it is logi=
cally equivalent.<br>
<br>mi&#39;e brais<br></font><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 17,=
 2011 at 12:18 PM, Anton Golov <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kdes=
evis@gmail.com">kdesevis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On 17 December 2011 16:55, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I don&#39;t believe a word of that. Especially the part about &quot;in=
tellectual<br>
&gt; exercise&quot;.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Lee Carlson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lor=
ddraqo@gmail.com">lorddraqo@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; This has been revisited from time-to-time and the outcome is alway=
s that<br>
&gt;&gt; curses and such are deeply invested in cultural context. As such a=
 language<br>
&gt;&gt; that is designed to be culturally neutral does not provide curses =
outside of<br>
&gt;&gt; the cultural context of the particular user. For anyone is raised =
with<br>
&gt;&gt; lojban as their primary language, the concept of cursing, and expl=
etives<br>
&gt;&gt; will likely be an intellectual exercise, rather than an emotional =
outburst.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; mi&#39;e brais<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>It seems more likely that if people were raised with Lojban as their<=
br>
primary language, they would develop a vocabulary of curses and<br>
euphemisms of their own.<br>
<br>
mi&#39;e jesyspa<br>
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