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Using {le} doesn't allow to say whatever to mean whatever else.
According to xorlo (which didn't really changed {le} btw):

>The resulting expression refers specifically to an individual or individua=
ls that the speaker has in mind and which the speaker describes as fitting =
the first argument of the selbri.

So by {le nu ...} you express something specific you have in mind,
which you describe as an event of some kind. It is absurd to describe
an agent as an event.


On Dec 17, 4:28=A0pm, Dank <dankai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> it means what it says,

It says "A specific thing I have in mind, which I describe as an event
of deep conscious thinking, is an agent who brings about another
specific thing I have in mind, which I describe as a great matter
which someone is wise about" and I really doubt you wanted to express
this.

> seprije could probably go as well as selprije.

It's a topic of someone's sagacity. If you meant wisdom, I think it
would be {lo ka prije}. But gasnu2 should be an event brought about,
not a topic or a property. {lo nu prije} on the other hand is an event
of someone being wise.

> i know gasnu is an agent, so i am agree that if the sumti start with
> lo, it has to be a person or an agent. But since i am using "le" i was
> hoping that any kind of stuff can go in there, any abstraction or
> bridi starting with "le", since i supose "le" is to say that i
> describe the thing this way, so it should be to describe in almost any
> way

If you see an apple you don't describe it as an airplane. It seems
that you think {le} allows you to babble nonsense.

> about using condi, since is in "le" i guess is allowed to use deepness
> as a descriptor, =A0regardless of whatever it might mean deep as a
> descriptor of sanji

I think in tanru you can use {condi} and other words in metaphorical
sense (regardless of le/lo), but it's a matter of taste.

> Anyway, if the phrase is not correct, how could the same thing can be
> said in another way???

Which same thing? My guess about what you meant is either "Deep
thinking leads to a great wisdom" or "A deep thinker does wise
things".
General hint: don't use {le}, it doesn't do what you think it does.
Unless I'm mistaken, in xorlo {lo} is strictly more general then {le},
ie. you can use {lo} every time you would use {le}, just like you can
use "vehicle" anytime you could use "car".

mu'o mi'e ianek

>
> On 17 dic, 00:26, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Saturday 17 December 2011 01:08:06 Dank wrote:
>
> > > hi, i was just wondering how correct is this phrase,
>
> > > le nu condi sanji pensi cu gasnu le banli seprije
>
> > It's syntactically correct, though I'm not sure what it means.
> > *"seprije" is run together. We normally don't run words together unless=
 all of
> > them are cmavo.
> > *The subject of "gasnu" is an agent; you have an abstraction (which is =
like a
> > subordinate clause) there. "le pensi cu gasnu" makes sense.
> > *Are you talking about thoughts of deep-sea divers?
>
> > Pierre
>
> > --
> > Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

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