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[193.17.41.131]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i11si6067165eea.0.2011.12.22.04.47.15; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:47:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of j-sz@o2.pl designates 193.17.41.131 as permitted sender) client-ip=193.17.41.131; Received: from moh1-ve1.go2.pl (unknown [10.0.0.131]) by moh1-ve1.go2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A0691F430 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:47:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [10.0.0.108]) by moh1-ve1.go2.pl (Postfix) with SMTP for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:47:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-vx0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173] by poczta.o2.pl with ESMTP id zAnbvz; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:51:04 +0100 Received: by vcbfo1 with SMTP id fo1so5772880vcb.4 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:47:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.107.79 with SMTP id a15mr6735661vcp.61.1324558033724; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.67.193 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:47:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <7922890.545.1324468114087.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbo42> <650abed4-0adf-48fa-bab3-affc20681144@i6g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:47:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: {gi'e} and overlapping arrays From: Janek To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-O2-Trust: 2, 61 X-O2-SPF: neutral X-Original-Sender: j-sz@o2.pl X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of j-sz@o2.pl designates 193.17.41.131 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=j-sz@o2.pl Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1757 So, {da crino gi'e xunre} doesn't mean "something is both green and red", but "something is green and something is red"? I can't say that I like it. How can I say it to mean the former? Not using {je}, because it binds possible further arguments, like {da dunda je lebna} implies that someone gives and takes the same thing to and from the same person (unless I'm mistaken). mu'o mi'e ianek 2011/12/22 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:49 AM, ianek wrote: >> >> I thought {broda gi'e brode vau fa da} is equivalent to {da broda gi'e >> brode} and it implies that it's the same "da" that does both broda and >> brode. > > If you replace "da" with "ko'a", that's exactly right. Also "PA da > zo'u broda gi'e brode vau fa da" is equivalent to "PA da zo'u da broda > gi'e brode". > > Quantifiers and logical connectives are both bridi operators, and they > don't generally commute, so you can't just move one past the other, > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. 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