Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:45848) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RdltY-0005lo-Gy; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:53:30 -0800 Received: by vcbfk26 with SMTP id fk26sf5438047vcb.16 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:53:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:message-id:date :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xaLxIz+qu8kK8qciGRXEbIEerD2lOPU9aj1NZzGF37U=; b=aDRrVD2Cg6aWouPXkluxAxijo22LbAGuGTR4Rc476eOs+ElLEe2uZOOI5ZCvrNtRAF 0vQnxRQ6MkGmt67STeK8kkyIPH0k7y4WLbtracQGmzjSpdJRRjclLP3ghT8C1Y7By3AK n9zO/DFhA1ZH72z0T2/khzb/CGydAzusGYZbg= Received: by 10.52.76.8 with SMTP id g8mr1865539vdw.16.1324572797403; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:53:17 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.178.105 with SMTP id cx9ls8634903vdc.0.gmail; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.24.134 with SMTP id u6mr10038345vdf.8.1324572796819; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.24.134 with SMTP id u6mr10038344vdf.8.1324572796810; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f70.google.com (mail-vw0-f70.google.com [209.85.212.70]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ij1si2802502vdb.3.2011.12.22.08.53.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.70 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.70; Received: by vbbfc21 with SMTP id fc21so12002862vbb.5 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:53:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.28.206 with SMTP id d14mr10060548vdh.3.1324572796636; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:53:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20cf30780ad005d11704b4b123a0@google.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:53:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Curses! From: rdentato@gmail.com To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.70 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30780ad005d10a04b4b1239d X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 3033 --20cf30780ad005d10a04b4b1239d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes On , Lee Carlson wrote: > I suppose that my confusion stems from a lack of understanding as to why > lojban needs curses and insults? I would be very surprised if lojban wouldn't allow curses and insults. Considering how rich is Lojban in expressing emotions, why should cursing and swaring be left out? I would dream of a vocative, say {do'au} of selma'o DOI. You could say {do'au plise} and everyone would understand that it is intendend to be an insult, whether or not to be an apple offends them. Of course {do'aunai xalci} would not be meant to be an insult even if I would be probably offended. Alternatively an emotional (say {zo'au} of selma'o UI5) could be used with the meaning of "offensively - no offense intended". To me, it would seem the most lojbanic way to swear/course. The point is not if a particular analogy or name is offensive but if the intention is to offend. remod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf30780ad005d10a04b4b1239d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On , Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose tha= t my confusion stems from a lack of understanding as to why lojban needs cu= rses and insults?

I would be very surprised if lojban wouldn&= #39;t allow curses and insults. Considering how rich is Lojban in expressin= g emotions, why should cursing and swaring be left out?

I woul= d dream of a vocative, say {do'au} of selma'o DOI. You could say {d= o'au plise} and everyone would understand that it is intendend to be an= insult, whether or not to be an apple offends them. Of course {do'auna= i xalci} would not be meant to be an insult even if I would be probably off= ended.

Alternatively an emotional (say {zo'au} of selma= 9;o UI5) could be used with the meaning of "offensively - no offense = intended".

To me, it would seem the most lojbanic way to= swear/course. The point is not if a particular analogy or name is offensiv= e but if the intention is to offend.

remod

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