On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at= 1:30 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

It sounds like .aionys. is basically just asking if we could start devel= oping some lojbanic culture around cursing much like robin asked us to come= up with some lojban nursery rhymes.

"culturally neutral" doesn't mean "complete absence o= f culture".

For instance, nikyge'u
h= ttp://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/nikyge'u

On Dec 22, 2011 3:10 PM, "Jonathan Jones&qu= ot; <eyeonus@gmai= l.com> wrote:
Okay, firstly, please don't call me "Mr. Jones". I would much= prefer being referred to as {.aionys.}, or if you must use English, "= Jon".

Secondly, no, I am not trying to argue that we should hav= e "culturally neutral" anything. I'm not /arguing/ anything. = I am suggesting that we come up with specifically LOJBANIC expletives.

My example, {tolmencrerai}, comes from {to'e menli certu traji}, wh= ich translate to English as, basically, "Superlatively (opposite-of (s= killed mentally))", or colloquially, "Really, really, really, rea= lly stupid", "As dumb as it is possible to be".

My reasoning is that, we being humans, there will be occasions in which= we will desire to use expletives. I'm not saying we /need/ them, I'= ;m saying we /want/ them. When you come home to find your house has been ro= bbed, are you going to say "Oh dear, it seems someone has removed my b= elongings.", or are you more likely to say "Damn it, some asshole= motherfucker stole all my shit!"?

That's why every language has expletives- not because they are /nee= ded/, because they are /desired/.

On Tue,= Dec 20, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Chris Patrick <neuroticmnemonics@gmai= l.com> wrote:

To be honest, I would be offended if someone= called me that. Sometimes, insults/curses do translate into other cultures= . I believe what Mr. Jones is trying to argue here is that we should have s= pecific, intensified, derogatory terms for various insults/curses that are = fairly culture-neutral, i.e., I don't think anyone would take kindly to= being called the equivalent of a "fucking retard" or the like. C= oncepts like "slut" or your example of the offspring of a flea wh= o was confused about his nutrient sources would be harder to translate, obv= iously, and we might do well to leave out those kind of curses all together= .

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Lee Carlso= n <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:
Does "= you are the son of a dung-eating flea" mean very much to you?

L= eland

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:

I don't believe a word of that. Especial= ly the part about "intellectual exercise".

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Lee Car= lson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:

This has been revisited from time-to-time and the outco= me is always that curses and such are deeply invested in cultural co= ntext. As such a language that is designed to be culturally neutral does no= t provide curses outside of the cultural context of the particular user. Fo= r anyone is raised with lojban as their primary language, the concept of cu= rsing, and expletives will likely be an intellectual exercise, rather than = an emotional outburst.

mi'e brais

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gma= il.com> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Jonathan J= ones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it just me, or is this group rather slow of late?

Well, in part t= o spark up some conversation on here, and in part because I'd like to b= e able to curse in Lojban, I'm proposing we come up with some Lojbanic = curses.

And I don't necessarily mean shit, fuck, damn, etc. I mean more alo= ng the lines of "You pea-brained sack of twat-juice!", or "C= um-guzzling gutter slut!" or "Republican" (that last one was= a joke).

So, to start things off, here's one from me:

tolmencrerai : = x1 is a fucking retard (not in the mental disability sense) to x2 because o= f x3

i.e. {do tolmencrerai fi lonu lo do carce pu daspo lo mi rozgu}= =3D "You fucking retard! You ran over my roses!"

Actually, a better translation would probably b= e "You're a fucking retard for running over my roses!"

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )

=

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.i.e'= ;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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