Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:57827) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RdvTc-0001Iy-Iv; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:07:27 -0800 Received: by iaeh11 with SMTP id h11sf16809621iae.16 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:07:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2ewzTreS4BtIH0FzLTutGdTH9eGJ7W7lVJaHVSwAH2k=; b=caxiy0Bd5pKtlZ+9hetRtVBpIBxKjc1JqIhyl7iqNeYo8m77wIr7VX6tFxPZVW+1zw 5U6/1JgqFopth5FjKIMmMR+KFGEJl3TGSMGDr5j99VQp4I2Jbu/e5K3b9Vztv5/LwBEt q9/bKzG1Cdz57wE3WB/ojm41o6j2/Ug4i2tTo= Received: by 10.50.195.137 with SMTP id ie9mr3291170igc.3.1324609629787; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:07:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.11.72 with SMTP id s8ls8642332ibs.3.gmail; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.146.5 with SMTP id h5mr11181971icv.7.1324609628570; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.146.5 with SMTP id h5mr11181970icv.7.1324609628542; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f180.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hq3si5134768igc.0.2011.12.22.19.07.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lorddraqo@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.180; Received: by mail-tul01m020-f180.google.com with SMTP id up3so5993191obb.11 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:07:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.159.99 with SMTP id xb3mr11192360obb.8.1324609628325; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.17.6 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:07:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201112221543.54376.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:07:08 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Curses! From: Lee Carlson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lorddraqo@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lorddraqo@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lorddraqo@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9399db15cc84904b4b9b63d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 13442 --14dae9399db15cc84904b4b9b63d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I now have a better feel for what aionys is looking for, and I can appreciate it more fully. For m'self I use the construction *le cevni kurji ko* in place of the traditional pagan "blessed be." Since we are looking at expletives that will fit the lojbanic culture, perhaps blessings can also be derived. I happen to agree that culturally neutral does not mean culturally absent; 'tis just that the culture of lojbanistan is still evolving and I had not considered curses to this point. mu'o mi'e brais On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Oh! Useless! I get it now. > > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> Blech, I'm always forgetting that pilno doesn't own pi'o >> On Dec 22, 2011 4:10 PM, "Jonathan Jones" wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry, what's the opposite of a piano? >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> >>>> Well sure but that's kind of akin to saying "no need for nursery >>>> rhymes. Just use {cifselsa'a}". >>>> >>>> I'll throw in some things I've found myself using in the past: >>>> cmamenpre >>>> latpinca >>>> tolmencre is a classic >>>> maltolpi'o >>>> >>>> Usually if a thing is inherrently unpleasant I won't bother with the >>>> "mal" since it seems unlikely for a person hearing "doi latpinca" to get >>>> confused and think that I actually believe that I'm addressing cat piss. >>>> But in cases like "tolpi'o" I'll throw the "mal" on just to clarify that >>>> I'm not merely stating a fact. >>>> On Dec 22, 2011 3:44 PM, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thursday 22 December 2011 15:30:46 Luke Bergen wrote: >>>>> > It sounds like .aionys. is basically just asking if we could start >>>>> > developing some lojbanic culture around cursing much like robin >>>>> asked us to >>>>> > come up with some lojban nursery rhymes. >>>>> >>>>> There is, of course, "mabla", which is defined as "x1 is a derogative >>>>> connotation/sense of x2 used by x3" but several of us think it should >>>>> be a >>>>> general-purpose cussword. >>>>> >>>>> Pierre >>>>> -- >>>>> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --14dae9399db15cc84904b4b9b63d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I now have = a better feel for what aionys is looking for, and I can appreciate it more = fully. For m'self I use the construction le cevni kurji ko in pl= ace of the traditional pagan "blessed be." Since we are looking a= t expletives that will fit the lojbanic culture, perhaps blessings can also= be derived. I happen to agree that culturally neutral does not mean cultur= ally absent; 'tis just that the culture of lojbanistan is still evolvin= g and I had not considered curses to this point.

mu'o mi'e brais

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh! Useless! I get it now.


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

Blech, I'm always forgetting that pilno doesn't own pi'o

On Dec 22, 2011 4:10 PM, "Jonathan Jon= es" <eyeonus= @gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sorry, what's the opposite of a piano?

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Luke Bergen &l= t;lukeabergen@gm= ail.com> wrote:

Well sure but that's kind of akin to = saying "no need for nursery rhymes. Just use {cifselsa'a}".

I'll throw in some things I've found myself using in the past: cmamenpre
latpinca
tolmencre is a classic
maltolpi'o

Usually if a thing is inherrently unpleasant I won't bother with the= "mal" since it seems unlikely for a person hearing "doi lat= pinca" to get confused and think that I actually believe that I'm = addressing cat piss.=A0 But in cases like "tolpi'o" I'll = throw the "mal" on just to clarify that I'm not merely statin= g a fact.

On Dec 22, 2011 3:44 PM, "Pierre Abbat"= ; <phma@phma.opt= us.nu> wrote:
On Thursday 22 December 2011 15:30:46 Luke Bergen wrote:
> It sounds like .aionys. is basically just asking if we could start
> developing some lojbanic culture around cursing much like robin asked = us to
> come up with some lojban nursery rhymes.

There is, of course, "mabla", which is defined as "x1 is a d= erogative
connotation/sense of x2 used by x3" but several of us think it should = be a
general-purpose cussword.

Pierre
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