On Thu, Dec= 22, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:

aionys, if language does not serve a purpose then it is= nothing but noise. If the presence of expletives will strengthen lojban, m= ake the language more expressive and more useful, I am all for it. I= f you can tell me what expletives will express, other than rage/frustration= (which I feel that oi does quite well) then I will be happy to come= on board. Otherwise I feel that expletives are just another example of = malglico that we can do without.

mu'o mi'e brais

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:03 PM, = Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

Why does it matter what purpose it serves? I= f you don't like cursing, don't. I am full agreement that there is = a such thing as too much expletive. But I also think there is a such thing = as not enough.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Lee Carlson <lorddraqo@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
I thought t= hat the cu could be left out if it did not create confusion. As it a= ppears to do so, I will amend my phrasing to reflect this and say: le ce= vni cu kurji ko
As to arpis comment regarding the need for phrases that require no thought:= This is one of my concerns/gripes/disquiets with regard to cursing/swea= ring. From my experience people use expletives when their desire is to = vent emotionally with something that sounds a bit more civilized than a wor= dless scream of frustration/rage. Expletives, whether curse words, swearing= , or otherwise seldom carry any true semantic content other than to provide= a purely emotional label for the object of the user's frustration. Mos= t people resort to cursing/swearing when they do not wish to be bothered to= cerebrate around their rage/frustration though they want to express their = feelings to others around them, or often just themselves. This is why my fi= rst responses to this thread were to question why we would need cursing. I = can understand nursery rhymes, as these all started out as cautionary tales= or lessons for children even if we have lost their original meaning throug= h the years. So my question still stands as: what purpose does cursi= ng fulfill, other than a cathartic release?

mu'o mi'e brais
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Pierre Abbat = <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

On Thursday 22 December 2011 22:07:08 L= ee Carlson wrote:
> I now have a better feel for what aionys is looking for, and I can

> appreciate it more fully. For m'self I use the construction = *le cevni kurji
> ko* in place of the traditional pagan "blessed be." Since we= are looking at

> expletives that will fit the lojbanic culture, perhaps blessings = can also
> be derived. I happen to agree that culturally neutral does not mean > culturally absent; 'tis just that the culture of lojbanistan is st= ill
> evolving and I had not considered curses to this point.

You mean "le cevni cu kurji ko", right?

Pierre
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