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A really handy tool when struggling with lujvo creation/deconstruction is
jvozba.  Check it out:
http://jwodder.freeshell.org/lojban/jvozba.cgi?tanru=mi+prami+do&vlalei=pluja

In answer to your question though, I believe that "y", when used as rafsi
glue, does not count towards the "you must have two consonants back to back
in the first five letters" rule.

i.e. I believe that {mibypamdoi} is an acceptable lujvo since ignoring the
"y" gives the "bp" consonant cluster.  Or just to be safe you could make it
{mibrpamdoi}.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, najrut <ruler11post@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just tried creating complex lujvo and found that I can't transform the
> simplest phrase "mi prami do" into a lujvo.
> I can do that with "do prami mi" (I get "mibdonpa'i") but what about "mi" ?
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A really handy tool when struggling with lujvo creation/deconstruction is j=
vozba. =A0Check it out:=A0<a href=3D"http://jwodder.freeshell.org/lojban/jv=
ozba.cgi?tanru=3Dmi+prami+do&amp;vlalei=3Dpluja">http://jwodder.freeshell.o=
rg/lojban/jvozba.cgi?tanru=3Dmi+prami+do&amp;vlalei=3Dpluja</a><div>

<br></div><div>In answer to your question though, I believe that &quot;y&qu=
ot;, when used as rafsi glue, does not count towards the &quot;you must hav=
e two consonants back to back in the first five letters&quot; rule.</div>

<div><br></div><div>i.e. I believe that {mibypamdoi} is an acceptable lujvo=
 since ignoring the &quot;y&quot; gives the &quot;bp&quot; consonant cluste=
r. =A0Or just to be safe you could make it {mibrpamdoi}.<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, najrut <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:ruler11post@gmail.com">ruler11post@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
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px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

I just tried creating complex lujvo and found that I can&#39;t transform th=
e simplest phrase &quot;mi prami do&quot; into a lujvo.<div>I can do that w=
ith &quot;do prami mi&quot; (I get &quot;mibdonpa&#39;i&quot;) but what abo=
ut &quot;mi&quot; ?</div>

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