Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:54540) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Raoru-00043a-UL; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:27:39 -0800 Received: by eekc4 with SMTP id c4sf686533eek.16 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:27:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qswyYAHahAvseSD5w/zdd50D7l/jq1e24dtjO93Aq6g=; b=pvEPl0w8Vl6P/x/lRPPcXRxDk+EXa9yeAjzo6GYT7Hb3JI128+lDuv1T5k/Lbk9rI8 utpQ99747veeA4Zg/WhclyYV8cGRq82CUb7JthnnEgSh1eumoLwiDWHtID9Agxpz7JDK 1TopU2Tm7CP/QrDz6Fox9LpxROVcTjJKZAXik= Received: by 10.204.130.27 with SMTP id q27mr346226bks.30.1323868745818; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:19:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.20.212 with SMTP id p60ls1481250eep.0.gmail; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.97.144 with SMTP id t16mr719933eef.3.1323868744402; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.14.97.144 with SMTP id t16mr719931eef.3.1323868744372; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com (mail-ey0-f171.google.com [209.85.215.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 41si1822647eee.2.2011.12.14.05.19.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.171; Received: by eaa1 with SMTP id 1so2587808eaa.30 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:19:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.151.76 with SMTP id b12mr723969bkw.139.1323868744179; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.44.199 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:19:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8413046.50.1323796099277.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcv9> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:19:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] rafsi for "mi" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd9fa39df6904b40d36b0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 8599 --0015175cd9fa39df6904b40d36b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, not so much, because "lo broda" means "that (or those) which can fill the x1 spot of "x1 broda" " If the x1 space is already filled, yes, it is possible to fill it again, ("mi klama la bastn fa lo speni be mi" is possible, and is probably best construed as "mi jo'u lo speni be mi klama la bastn.") But generally x1s of lujvo should not come pre-filled. A predicate of a I-love-you(X) doesn't really make any sense. OTOH, a predicate of loves-you(X) DOES, so "pamdoi" would be a much more legitimate lujvo to have. --gejyspa On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:44 PM, .arpis. wrote: > {lo mibypamdoi} could be short for {mi noi ke'a prami do}. > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > >> A much more important question is WHY would you want to make a lujvo of >> "mi prami do"? You have filled up all the argument places, so basically >> you don't have a brivla woth anything any more. >> --gejyspa >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, najrut wrote: >> >>> I just tried creating complex lujvo and found that I can't transform the >>> simplest phrase "mi prami do" into a lujvo. >>> I can do that with "do prami mi" (I get "mibdonpa'i") but what about >>> "mi" ? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/MpwUZN5O-58J. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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=A0 Well, not so much, because "lo broda" means = "that (or those) which can fill the x1 spot of "x1 broda" &q= uot; =A0If the x1 space is already filled, yes, it is possible to fill it a= gain, ("mi klama la bastn fa lo speni be mi" is possible, and is= =A0probably=A0best construed as "mi jo'u lo speni be mi klama la b= astn.") =A0But generally x1s of lujvo should not come pre-filled. =A0A= predicate of a I-love-you(X) doesn't really make any sense. =A0OTOH, a= predicate of loves-you(X) DOES, so "pamdoi" would be a much more= legitimate lujvo to have.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:44 PM, .arpis. <rpglover6= 4+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
{lo mibypamdoi} could be short for {mi noi k= e'a prami do}.


On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Michael Turniansky <<= a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail= .com> wrote:
=A0 A much more important q= uestion is WHY would you want to make a lujvo of "mi prami do"? = =A0You have filled up all the argument places, so basically you don't h= ave a brivla woth anything any more.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, najrut <ruler11post@gmail.co= m> wrote:
I just tried creating complex lujvo and found that I can't transform th= e simplest phrase "mi prami do" into a lujvo.
I can do that w= ith "do prami mi" (I get "mibdonpa'i") but what abo= ut "mi" ?

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