Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:65322) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RapB0-0004Iq-EB; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:47:19 -0800 Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3sf951622yen.16 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:47:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/LrD1rXOI8wMAnClQa7ZhR3VVmfIGThIGe7CT4gZ75Y=; b=Ke0cSbEVd2RjTOszDbfQMr0Wd1WO0TNX8qh21PQ84JpdGEvqvmmrqlo3MuEFjlBCkd D4ncneGVyBNJkj7/nNMlEhscqbmA0qvqaAlv5pqr+jdgaoPWfKqEoISoGyX9617dhsna DqvsTfCbn9fXYJ8qDqAhiBBAbL8QoBzbn/Ty4= Received: by 10.236.161.34 with SMTP id v22mr3150289yhk.9.1323870427437; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:47:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.88.2 with SMTP id q2ls5083139anl.7.gmail; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.156.98 with SMTP id l62mr15228326yhk.4.1323870426794; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.156.98 with SMTP id l62mr15228322yhk.4.1323870426771; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r30si138108anp.1.2011.12.14.05.47.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.182; Received: by ggnp1 with SMTP id p1so1354219ggn.27 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:47:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.75.72 with SMTP id a8mr1673343obw.17.1323870426633; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:47:06 -0800 (PST) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.128.35 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:47:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8413046.50.1323796099277.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcv9> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 08:47:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] rafsi for "mi" From: ".arpis." To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93996df82160604b40d9a85 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 10589 --14dae93996df82160604b40d9a85 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The predicate I-love-you(X) has unfilled modal places, though, right? {mibypamdoi mu'i lo du'u do xendo} is perfectly sensical? On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > Well, not so much, because "lo broda" means "that (or those) which can > fill the x1 spot of "x1 broda" " If the x1 space is already filled, yes, > it is possible to fill it again, ("mi klama la bastn fa lo speni be mi" is > possible, and is probably best construed as "mi jo'u lo speni be mi klama > la bastn.") But generally x1s of lujvo should not come pre-filled. A > predicate of a I-love-you(X) doesn't really make any sense. OTOH, a > predicate of loves-you(X) DOES, so "pamdoi" would be a much more legitimate > lujvo to have. > > --gejyspa > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:44 PM, .arpis. wrote: > >> {lo mibypamdoi} could be short for {mi noi ke'a prami do}. >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Michael Turniansky < >> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> A much more important question is WHY would you want to make a lujvo >>> of "mi prami do"? You have filled up all the argument places, so basically >>> you don't have a brivla woth anything any more. >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, najrut wrote: >>> >>>> I just tried creating complex lujvo and found that I can't transform >>>> the simplest phrase "mi prami do" into a lujvo. >>>> I can do that with "do prami mi" (I get "mibdonpa'i") but what about >>>> "mi" ? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/MpwUZN5O-58J. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .arpis. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --14dae93996df82160604b40d9a85 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The predicate I-love-you(X) has unfilled modal places, though, right?
{mibypamdoi mu'i lo du'u do xendo} is perfectly sensical?

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On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Michael Turnian= sky <mturnian= sky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 Well, not so much, beca= use "lo broda" means "that (or those) which can fill the x1 = spot of "x1 broda" " =A0If the x1 space is already filled, y= es, it is possible to fill it again, ("mi klama la bastn fa lo speni b= e mi" is possible, and is=A0probably=A0best construed as "mi jo&#= 39;u lo speni be mi klama la bastn.") =A0But generally x1s of lujvo sh= ould not come pre-filled. =A0A predicate of a I-love-you(X) doesn't rea= lly make any sense. =A0OTOH, a predicate of loves-you(X) DOES, so "pam= doi" would be a much more legitimate lujvo to have.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

On Tue, Dec = 13, 2011 at 3:44 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
{lo mibypamdoi} could be short for {mi noi k= e'a prami do}.


On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Michael Turniansky <<= a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail= .com> wrote:
=A0 A much more important q= uestion is WHY would you want to make a lujvo of "mi prami do"? = =A0You have filled up all the argument places, so basically you don't h= ave a brivla woth anything any more.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, najrut <ruler11post@gmail.co= m> wrote:
I just tried creating complex lujvo and found that I can't transform th= e simplest phrase "mi prami do" into a lujvo.
I can do that w= ith "do prami mi" (I get "mibdonpa'i") but what abo= ut "mi" ?

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