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OK, I should have checked everything through jvozba.
Some time ago I was wondering whether lojban could really imitate 
Amerindian one-word sentences as Wikipedia says (like 
zdane'ikemcmafagyso'ikemprununjelca and others)
mibypamdoi. I believe this can be translated as "You love me".
And my question is what is the rafsi for "mi" that ends with a vowel ?
For "do" we have "don" and "doi".
For "mi" we have only "mib". Why the authors of lojban were so biased ?
Why can't I say somethin like la donpamymib. but using a lujvo instead of 
this cmene ?

On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:44:23 PM UTC+4, pafcribe wrote:
>
> A really handy tool when struggling with lujvo creation/deconstruction is 
> jvozba.  Check it out: 
> http://jwodder.freeshell.org/lojban/jvozba.cgi?tanru=mi+prami+do&vlalei=pluja
>
> In answer to your question though, I believe that "y", when used as rafsi 
> glue, does not count towards the "you must have two consonants back to back 
> in the first five letters" rule.
>
> i.e. I believe that {mibypamdoi} is an acceptable lujvo since ignoring the 
> "y" gives the "bp" consonant cluster.  Or just to be safe you could make it 
> {mibrpamdoi}.
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, najrut <ruler...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just tried creating complex lujvo and found that I can't transform the 
>> simplest phrase "mi prami do" into a lujvo.
>> I can do that with "do prami mi" (I get "mibdonpa'i") but what about "mi" 
>> ?
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OK, I should have checked everything through jvozba.<div>Some time ago I wa=
s wondering whether lojban could really imitate Amerindian one-word sentenc=
es as Wikipedia says (like zdane'ikemcmafagyso'ikemprununjelca and others)<=
/div><div>mibypamdoi. I believe this can be translated as "You love me".</d=
iv><div>And my question is what is the rafsi for "mi" that ends with a vowe=
l ?</div><div>For "do" we have "don" and "doi".</div><div>For "mi" we have =
only "mib". Why the authors of lojban were so biased ?</div><div>Why can't =
I say somethin like la donpamymib. but using a lujvo instead of this cmene =
?</div><div><br>On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:44:23 PM UTC+4, pafcribe wr=
ote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex=
;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">A really handy tool when s=
truggling with lujvo creation/deconstruction is jvozba. &nbsp;Check it out:=
&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://jwodder.freeshell.org/lojban/jvozba.cgi?tanru=3Dmi+=
prami+do&amp;vlalei=3Dpluja" target=3D"_blank">http://jwodder.freeshell.<wb=
r>org/lojban/jvozba.cgi?tanru=3D<wbr>mi+prami+do&amp;vlalei=3Dpluja</a><div=
>

<br></div><div>In answer to your question though, I believe that "y", when =
used as rafsi glue, does not count towards the "you must have two consonant=
s back to back in the first five letters" rule.</div>

<div><br></div><div>i.e. I believe that {mibypamdoi} is an acceptable lujvo=
 since ignoring the "y" gives the "bp" consonant cluster. &nbsp;Or just to =
be safe you could make it {mibrpamdoi}.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, najrut <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>ruler...@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

I just tried creating complex lujvo and found that I can't transform the si=
mplest phrase "mi prami do" into a lujvo.<div>I can do that with "do prami =
mi" (I get "mibdonpa'i") but what about "mi" ?</div>

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