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   Well, there's always the option of using "zei" to create lujvo with
words that have no appropriate rafsi.  That's what it's for.
             --gejyspa


On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:51 AM, najrut <ruler11post@gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, I should have checked everything through jvozba.
> Some time ago I was wondering whether lojban could really imitate
> Amerindian one-word sentences as Wikipedia says (like
> zdane'ikemcmafagyso'ikemprununjelca and others)
> mibypamdoi. I believe this can be translated as "You love me".
> And my question is what is the rafsi for "mi" that ends with a vowel ?
> For "do" we have "don" and "doi".
> For "mi" we have only "mib". Why the authors of lojban were so biased ?
> Why can't I say somethin like la donpamymib. but using a lujvo instead of
> this cmene ?
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:44:23 PM UTC+4, pafcribe wrote:
>
>> A really handy tool when struggling with lujvo creation/deconstruction is
>> jvozba.  Check it out: http://jwodder.freeshell.**
>> org/lojban/jvozba.cgi?tanru=**mi+prami+do&vlalei=pluja<http://jwodder.freeshell.org/lojban/jvozba.cgi?tanru=mi+prami+do&vlalei=pluja>
>>
>> In answer to your question though, I believe that "y", when used as rafsi
>> glue, does not count towards the "you must have two consonants back to back
>> in the first five letters" rule.
>>
>> i.e. I believe that {mibypamdoi} is an acceptable lujvo since ignoring
>> the "y" gives the "bp" consonant cluster.  Or just to be safe you could
>> make it {mibrpamdoi}.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, najrut <ruler...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just tried creating complex lujvo and found that I can't transform the
>>> simplest phrase "mi prami do" into a lujvo.
>>> I can do that with "do prami mi" (I get "mibdonpa'i") but what about
>>> "mi" ?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 =A0Well, there&#39;s always the option of using &quot;=
zei&quot; to create lujvo with words that have no appropriate rafsi. =A0Tha=
t&#39;s what it&#39;s for.<div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa<br><div=
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=A0 =A0 =A0=A0<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:51 AM, najrut <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ruler11post@gmail.com">ruler11post@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
OK, I should have checked everything through jvozba.<div>Some time ago I wa=
s wondering whether lojban could really imitate Amerindian one-word sentenc=
es as Wikipedia says (like zdane&#39;ikemcmafagyso&#39;ikemprununjelca and =
others)</div>
<div>mibypamdoi. I believe this can be translated as &quot;You love me&quot=
;.</div><div>And my question is what is the rafsi for &quot;mi&quot; that e=
nds with a vowel ?</div><div>For &quot;do&quot; we have &quot;don&quot; and=
 &quot;doi&quot;.</div>
<div>For &quot;mi&quot; we have only &quot;mib&quot;. Why the authors of lo=
jban were so biased ?</div><div>Why can&#39;t I say somethin like la donpam=
ymib. but using a lujvo instead of this cmene ?</div><div><div class=3D"im"=
>
<br>On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:44:23 PM UTC+4, pafcribe wrote:</div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">A really handy tool=
 when struggling with lujvo creation/deconstruction is jvozba. =A0Check it =
out:=A0<a href=3D"http://jwodder.freeshell.org/lojban/jvozba.cgi?tanru=3Dmi=
+prami+do&amp;vlalei=3Dpluja" target=3D"_blank">http://jwodder.freeshell.<u=
></u>org/lojban/jvozba.cgi?tanru=3D<u></u>mi+prami+do&amp;vlalei=3Dpluja</a=
><div>


<br></div><div>In answer to your question though, I believe that &quot;y&qu=
ot;, when used as rafsi glue, does not count towards the &quot;you must hav=
e two consonants back to back in the first five letters&quot; rule.</div>


<div><br></div></div><div><div class=3D"im">i.e. I believe that {mibypamdoi=
} is an acceptable lujvo since ignoring the &quot;y&quot; gives the &quot;b=
p&quot; consonant cluster. =A0Or just to be safe you could make it {mibrpam=
doi}.<br>
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, najrut <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>ruler...@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v class=3D"im">


I just tried creating complex lujvo and found that I can&#39;t transform th=
e simplest phrase &quot;mi prami do&quot; into a lujvo.<div>I can do that w=
ith &quot;do prami mi&quot; (I get &quot;mibdonpa&#39;i&quot;) but what abo=
ut &quot;mi&quot; ?</div>


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