Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:51542) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rbsib-0002OJ-HY; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:46:22 -0800 Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3sf4286660yen.16 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:46:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=V79kny3UGhD0Ww9wpdXr2Iw+vaSGI3Dj/CBL6hljSqM=; b=hFgPoX6CFFdMfQCU6sYlEyCFdLlPdzrmQ2GpICdwp6VY8fs9LBH735Q6gXskIAK87I m4tM98CexOc67/LnwK21Y9yhhhbc8k3ndwvQzu19TkJWwzbXuk0wo0nsPKFR4WEYv02z sVZlrYTPYOM18vGITGLddmZLLjRJehJMd53f8= Received: by 10.236.157.168 with SMTP id o28mr4475896yhk.17.1324122370371; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:46:10 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.88.2 with SMTP id q2ls8949862anl.7.gmail; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.190.68 with SMTP id d44mr24074858yhn.1.1324122369751; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 03:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.171.67 with SMTP id as3msigc; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.212.232 with SMTP id nn8mr10237572pbc.1.1324080658460; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.212.232 with SMTP id nn8mr10237571pbc.1.1324080658394; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f173.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gx2si558093igb.1.2011.12.16.16.10.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lorddraqo@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.173; Received: by obcwp18 with SMTP id wp18so841162obc.18 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:10:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.172.9 with SMTP id ay9mr5365961obc.28.1324080658013; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.17.6 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:10:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:10:57 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Curses! From: Lee Carlson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lorddraqo@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lorddraqo@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lorddraqo@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6472e5465e3304b43e8de6 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 6861 --e89a8f6472e5465e3304b43e8de6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This has been revisited from time-to-time and the outcome is always that * curses* and such are deeply invested in cultural context. As such a language that is designed to be culturally neutral does not provide curses outside of the cultural context of the particular user. For anyone is raised with lojban as their primary language, the concept of cursing, and expletives will likely be an intellectual exercise, rather than an emotional outburst. mi'e brais On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> Is it just me, or is this group rather slow of late? >> >> Well, in part to spark up some conversation on here, and in part because >> I'd like to be able to curse in Lojban, I'm proposing we come up with some >> Lojbanic curses. >> >> And I don't necessarily mean shit, fuck, damn, etc. I mean more along the >> lines of "You pea-brained sack of twat-juice!", or "Cum-guzzling gutter >> slut!" or "Republican" (that last one was a joke). >> >> So, to start things off, here's one from me: >> >> tolmencrerai : x1 is a fucking retard (not in the mental disability >> sense) to x2 because of x3 >> >> i.e. {do tolmencrerai fi lonu lo do carce pu daspo lo mi rozgu} = "You >> fucking retard! You ran over my roses!" >> > > Actually, a better translation would probably be "You're a fucking retard > for running over my roses!" > >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- The World is a magical place, waiting for our senses to grow sharper. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --e89a8f6472e5465e3304b43e8de6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This has be= en revisited from time-to-time and the outcome is always that curses= and such are deeply invested in cultural context. As such a language that = is designed to be culturally neutral does not provide curses outside of the= cultural context of the particular user. For anyone is raised with lojban = as their primary language, the concept of cursing, and expletives will like= ly be an intellectual exercise, rather than an emotional outburst.

mi'e brais

On Thu, = Dec 15, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:13 P= M, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it just me, or is this group rather slow of late?

Well, in part t= o spark up some conversation on here, and in part because I'd like to b= e able to curse in Lojban, I'm proposing we come up with some Lojbanic = curses.

And I don't necessarily mean shit, fuck, damn, etc. I mean more alo= ng the lines of "You pea-brained sack of twat-juice!", or "C= um-guzzling gutter slut!" or "Republican" (that last one was= a joke).

So, to start things off, here's one from me:

tolmencrerai : = x1 is a fucking retard (not in the mental disability sense) to x2 because o= f x3

i.e. {do tolmencrerai fi lonu lo do carce pu daspo lo mi rozgu}= =3D "You fucking retard! You ran over my roses!"

Actually, a better translation would probably b= e "You're a fucking retard for running over my roses!"

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )



--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'uc= ai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come = to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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