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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:43:21 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <17420344.123.1326349669489.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcb25> <57CDF052-0498-43F6-9B02-80622D00E054@lojban.org.uk> <796CDD9E-0B54-45CA-B1FA-55A25259411E@lojban.org.uk> <6DC8CD59-4380-46DE-8223-65FCA6B99131@lojban.org.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:I4hEe48apVlyQyAX4cHf0Nk3KpAXX1WdkwVxMtBhmgk KkHDRBpIQeXI8d8RDFv4AKjSIgOBRz25uSkARZeqoMw6jr9Zwe KwFKjpg+f7ouSTW2k5ZfNMh18wX4/2GzJi/rRs2P65/0PCWunE tkgvvYXyWqvcZpe1Cek9D9rFrwkLH/CbRSm5pHoy9n8Vp2jH+Y xvdrvObegtmbKu0BzNcuQC0/FlJXtyaUjOYAJKaZgJFQ0htpzi WpM8RPvUomFZGS3nmXo1Gl2L9AhHVj3equrkcDnnCQGZFNlf7l Np24tQWgtPw0vkZ32WBrrQi+N/orCmhI85iNG2vcWwBQpuJfB5 r4EfEBItKbEh4MRH1lp/UWtU7mb23Opi15fcCgL0UG29NIk3Ha 4+YLFJK1+nADA== X-Original-Sender: kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.186 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk) smtp.mail=kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3FFE6298-7CE2-4543-92EE-241BCF1B49E2" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 21434 --Apple-Mail=_3FFE6298-7CE2-4543-92EE-241BCF1B49E2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Extending your line of reasoning, should we immediately cease distributing = hard copies of the CLL because the format isn't compatible with e-readers? = :-p Yes the iBook format is only compatible with a limited selection of devices= , does that somehow invalidate taking advantage of the format in addition t= o the plethora of open formats the new CLL can be transformed into? kozmikreis On 28 Jan 2012, at 00:10, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Not to mention the proprietary nature of the format that automatically ex= cludes anyone without an iPad, iPod Touch, or iPhone. >=20 > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM, kozmikreis wr= ote: > That is true, but is missing the point of the additional richness the pro= prietary iBook format allows for such as interactive multiple-choice questi= ons, audio clips, video clips, and other learning aids that might be attrac= tive in an enhanced version of the CLL :-) >=20 > kozmikreis >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 27 Jan 2012, at 21:32, Aaron Hawryluk wrote: >=20 >> Or, if there's an html version in existence, it could just be ported to = .epub with Calibre... >>=20 >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II X. >>=20 >> On Jan 27, 2012 6:50 AM, "CosmicRay" wrote: >> Those were very much my thoughts too - that porting a regularly updated = open source formatted book into a proprietary format was going to be awfull= y tough to keep up with. However, unlike apps, I think iBooks are static o= nce published. Authors don't push out a v1.x update after the fact. With = this in mind it's probably still worth forking the next stable CLL major ve= rsion and porting it, perhaps even embedding an errata section by use of a = web view that points back to the github repo in case of any major boo-boos. >>=20 >> kozmikreis >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 24 Jan 2012, at 02:44, Joshua Proehl wrote: >>=20 >>> I was just looking into the idea of creating a CLL iBook as well!=20 >>> The problem that I see is that iBooks Author doesn't appear to play ver= y nicely with the idea of streaming data in from other files. Which means t= hat it's not really possible to script "convert the source files into an iB= ook", but rather each change made to the source files would have to be manu= ally made to the iBook as well. Which is going to rapidly become painful. F= urther looking into is required however, as it would be a truly incredible = platform to use. >>>=20 >>> ---- >>> Josh >>> _____________________ >>> Instead of our drab slogging forth and back to the fishing boats, there= 's a reason to life! We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ou= rselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be fr= ee! We can learn to fly! >>>=20 >>> =97 Richard Bach, 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull,' 1970. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11, kozmikreis wr= ote: >>> I look forward to trying that out, please let us know when it's availab= le. It'll be good when there's finally a Lojban-specific app in the iTunes= Store :-) >>>=20 >>> Regarding my conlanger meet-up app idea, I retain no rights to the idea= should you or anyone else wants to implement it either solo or as a collab= oration. >>>=20 >>> On a slightly related note, there's now a free iBooks Author app in the= Mac App Store for authoring rich content books for iPad consumption. It l= ooks ideal for creating and sharing educational textbooks. The CLL as an i= Book would be a good place to start, once the latest changes to it have bee= n completed - thoughts anyone? >>>=20 >>> kozmikreis >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 22 Jan 2012, at 09:13, aryrain laubels wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I have written a Lojban Dictionary in pure Objective C, I am currently= waiting for approval. I finished it a week or so ago but posted it today. = But some other applications would be interesting. >>>>=20 >>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, kozmikreis = wrote: >>>> [repost, original seems to have been lost to the aether] >>>>=20 >>>> I've got an Apple iOS Developer account and would be happy to have a h= and in writing a Lojban app for iOS (and Android if I can get the damn SDK = and toolset stable), it's just I haven't thought of an app idea that has an= ything better to it than those that already exist. >>>>=20 >>>> My dev language of choice would probably be the JavaScript variant fro= m Appcelerator, not that it's anything amazing, but it can compile to multi= ple platforms and takes away some of the suckage of Objective C. >>>>=20 >>>> One idea I had was perhaps a meet-up app for conlangers in general, wh= ereby you tick the list of languages you speak or are learning to speak and= perhaps your level of proficiency, and let it run in the background occasi= onally checking your location in to a central server. When someone else wi= th a matching conlang interest is nearby the phone can alert you so you can= meet up and say coi. Might be good for finding people to practice with? >>>>=20 >>>> kozmikreis >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:27, kalsa wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> coi >>>>> is there any talk of making a lojbanic/lojban beginners ipod app? app= s like flashcardlet are good for studying words, but i was thinking maybe a= more lojban specific app would help for people who are already wanting to = learn, getting to look at it on the go, or maybe to hear spoken lojban, or= maybe just to make it more accessible to a wider variety of people. Just a= thought.=20 >>>>> co'o >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscr= ibe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lo= jban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscr= ibe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lo= jban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscri= be@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/loj= ban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>=20 >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscri= be@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/loj= ban-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >=20 > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --Apple-Mail=_3FFE6298-7CE2-4543-92EE-241BCF1B49E2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Extending your line o= f reasoning, should we immediately cease distributing hard copies of the CL= L because the format isn't compatible with e-readers? :-p

Yes the iBook format is only compatible with a limited selection of= devices, does that somehow invalidate taking advantage of the format in ad= dition to the plethora of open formats the new CLL can be transformed into?=

kozmikreis


On 28 Jan 2012, at 00:10, Jonathan Jones wrote:

Not to mention the= proprietary nature of the format that automatically excludes anyone withou= t an iPad, iPod Touch, or iPhone.

On Fri,= Jan 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM, kozmikreis <kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk> wrote:<= br>
Tha= t is true, but is missing the point of the additional richness the propriet= ary iBook format allows for such as interactive multiple-choice questions, = audio clips, video clips, and other learning aids that might be attractive = in an enhanced version of the CLL :-)

kozmikreis



On 27= Jan 2012, at 21:32, Aaron Hawryluk wrote:

Or, if there's an html version in existence, it could just be ported = to .epub with Calibre...

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II X.

On Jan 27, 2012 6:50 AM, "CosmicRay" <cr@cosmicray.co.uk>= wrote:
Those were very much my thoughts too - = that porting a regularly updated open source formatted book into a propriet= ary format was going to be awfully tough to keep up with.  However, un= like apps, I think iBooks are static once published.  Authors don't pu= sh out a v1.x update after the fact.  With this in mind it's probably = still worth forking the next stable CLL major version and porting it, perha= ps even embedding an errata section by use of a web view that points back t= o the github repo in case of any major boo-boos.

kozmikreis



On 24 Jan 2012, at 02:44, Joshua Proehl wrote:

I was just looking into the idea of creating a CLL iBook as well!=
The problem that I see is that iBooks Author doesn't appear to play very ni= cely with the idea of streaming data in from other files. Which means that = it's not really possible to script "convert the source files into an iBook"= , but rather each change made to the source files would have to be manually= made to the iBook as well. Which is going to rapidly become painful. Furth= er looking into is required however, as it would be a truly incredible plat= form to use.

----
Josh
_____________________
Instead of our drab slogging f= orth and back to the fishing boats, there's a reason to life! We can lift o= urselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence= and intelligence and skill. We can be free! We can learn to fly!

=97 Richard Bach, 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull,' 1970.




On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11, kozmikrei= s <kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk> wrote:
I look forward to trying that out,= please let us know when it's available.  It'll be good when there's f= inally a Lojban-specific app in the iTunes Store :-)

Regarding my conlanger meet-up app idea, I retain no rights to t= he idea should you or anyone else wants to implement it either solo or as a= collaboration.

On a slightly related note, there'= s now a free iBooks Author app in the Mac App Store for authoring rich cont= ent books for iPad consumption.  It looks ideal for creating and shari= ng educational textbooks.  The CLL as an iBook would be a good place t= o start, once the latest changes to it have been completed - thoughts anyon= e?

kozmikreis



On 22 Jan 2012, at 09= :13, aryrain laubels wrote:

I have written a Lojban Dictionary in pure Objective C, I am currently wait= ing for approval. I finished it a week or so ago but posted it today. But s= ome other applications would be interesting.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, kozmikreis <kozmikreis@lojban.or= g.uk> wrote:
[repost, original seems to have be= en lost to the aether]

I've got an Apple iOS Developer = account and would be happy to have a hand in writing a Lojban app for iOS (= and Android if I can get the damn SDK and toolset stable), it's just I have= n't thought of an app idea that has anything better to it than those that a= lready exist.

My dev language of choice would probably be the JavaScript variant from= Appcelerator, not that it's anything amazing, but it can compile to multip= le platforms and takes away some of the suckage of Objective C.

One idea I had was perhaps a meet-up app for conlangers in general, whe= reby you tick the list of languages you speak or are learning to speak and = perhaps your level of proficiency, and let it run in the background occasio= nally checking your location in to a central server.  When someone els= e with a matching conlang interest is nearby the phone can alert you so you= can meet up and say coi.  Might be good for finding people to practic= e with?

kozmikreis


On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:27, kalsa wrote:

coi
is there any talk of making a lojbanic/lojban beginners = ipod app? apps like flashcardlet are good for studying words, but i was thi= nking maybe a more lojban specific app would help for people who are alread= y wanting to learn, getting to  look at it on the go, or maybe to hear= spoken lojban, or maybe just to make it more accessible to a wider&nb= sp;variety of people. Just a thought. 
co'o


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