Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:41075) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rr4U6-0003dT-II; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:22:18 -0800 Received: by qcsr14 with SMTP id r14sf4355660qcs.16 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:22:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:references:from:in-reply-to:mime-version :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=5uC3OmLA2F0aW4CqeyIgp3Nv0c2iKI3nyATdE9G6gds=; b=UQvf7eL9nlLijGh2nMuh88RntR6VCRk5ZptCpYTDliov0Y4jAQZsUtd2djef5znGsc ZxlSrLhzGfylPs/nG0zasUMEeOixsRnwvsZXmfr4mckpu8428wkrAlH9pcyuLpLmleyk e4hctZZxGQ64U+AJG3bLDWN+9+uds6L4VwERE= Received: by 10.229.106.151 with SMTP id x23mr431745qco.6.1327742508967; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:21:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.65.131 with SMTP id j3ls4122965qci.1.gmail; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.180.204 with SMTP id bv12mr20053706qab.4.1327742507479; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.217.2 with SMTP id hk2msqab; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.188.65 with SMTP id cz1mr20036740qab.2.1327741159178; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.188.65 with SMTP id cz1mr20036737qab.2.1327741159148; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f46.google.com (mail-qw0-f46.google.com [209.85.216.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n9si6626006qcv.1.2012.01.28.00.59.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.46; Received: by qadc10 with SMTP id c10so1139694qad.19 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.195.2 with SMTP id ea2mr2722726qab.84.1327741159005; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:59:19 -0800 (PST) References: <17420344.123.1326349669489.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqcb25> <57CDF052-0498-43F6-9B02-80622D00E054@lojban.org.uk> <796CDD9E-0B54-45CA-B1FA-55A25259411E@lojban.org.uk> <6DC8CD59-4380-46DE-8223-65FCA6B99131@lojban.org.uk> From: Daniel Brockman In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:59:18 +0100 Message-ID: <-5151618732968964150@unknownmsgid> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] iOS/Android app? To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: dbrockman@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=dbrockman@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fb31522dce404b792d4cf X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 22689 --20cf300fb31522dce404b792d4cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What he said On 28 jan 2012, at 09:43, kozmikreis wrote: Extending your line of reasoning, should we immediately cease distributing hard copies of the CLL because the format isn't compatible with e-readers? :-p Yes the iBook format is only compatible with a limited selection of devices, does that somehow invalidate taking advantage of the format in addition to the plethora of open formats the new CLL can be transformed into? kozmikreis On 28 Jan 2012, at 00:10, Jonathan Jones wrote: Not to mention the proprietary nature of the format that automatically excludes anyone without an iPad, iPod Touch, or iPhone. On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM, kozmikreis wrote= : > That is true, but is missing the point of the additional richness the > proprietary iBook format allows for such as interactive multiple-choice > questions, audio clips, video clips, and other learning aids that might b= e > attractive in an enhanced version of the CLL :-) > > kozmikreis > > > > On 27 Jan 2012, at 21:32, Aaron Hawryluk wrote: > > Or, if there's an html version in existence, it could just be ported to > .epub with Calibre... > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II X. > On Jan 27, 2012 6:50 AM, "CosmicRay" wrote: > >> Those were very much my thoughts too - that porting a regularly updated >> open source formatted book into a proprietary format was going to be >> awfully tough to keep up with. However, unlike apps, I think iBooks are >> static once published. Authors don't push out a v1.x update after the >> fact. With this in mind it's probably still worth forking the next stab= le >> CLL major version and porting it, perhaps even embedding an errata secti= on >> by use of a web view that points back to the github repo in case of any >> major boo-boos. >> >> kozmikreis >> >> >> >> On 24 Jan 2012, at 02:44, Joshua Proehl wrote: >> >> I was just looking into the idea of creating a CLL iBook as well! >> The problem that I see is that iBooks Author doesn't appear to play very >> nicely with the idea of streaming data in from other files. Which means >> that it's not really possible to script "convert the source files into a= n >> iBook", but rather each change made to the source files would have to be >> manually made to the iBook as well. Which is going to rapidly become >> painful. Further looking into is required however, as it would be a trul= y >> incredible platform to use. >> >> ---- >> Josh >> _____________________ >> Instead of our drab slogging forth and back to the fishing boats, there'= s >> a reason to life! We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find >> ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can = be >> free! We can learn to fly! >> >> =97 Richard Bach, 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull,' 1970. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11, kozmikreis wrot= e: >> >>> I look forward to trying that out, please let us know when it's >>> available. It'll be good when there's finally a Lojban-specific app in= the >>> iTunes Store :-) >>> >>> Regarding my conlanger meet-up app idea, I retain no rights to the idea >>> should you or anyone else wants to implement it either solo or as a >>> collaboration. >>> >>> On a slightly related note, there's now a free iBooks Author app in the >>> Mac App Store for authoring rich content books for iPad consumption. I= t >>> looks ideal for creating and sharing educational textbooks. The CLL as= an >>> iBook would be a good place to start, once the latest changes to it hav= e >>> been completed - thoughts anyone? >>> >>> kozmikreis >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 Jan 2012, at 09:13, aryrain laubels wrote: >>> >>> I have written a Lojban Dictionary in pure Objective C, I am currently >>> waiting for approval. I finished it a week or so ago but posted it toda= y. >>> But some other applications would be interesting. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, kozmikreis w= rote: >>> >>>> [repost, original seems to have been lost to the aether] >>>> >>>> I've got an Apple iOS Developer account and would be happy to have a >>>> hand in writing a Lojban app for iOS (and Android if I can get the dam= n SDK >>>> and toolset stable), it's just I haven't thought of an app idea that h= as >>>> anything better to it than those that already exist. >>>> >>>> My dev language of choice would probably be the JavaScript variant fro= m >>>> Appcelerator, not that it's anything amazing, but it can compile to >>>> multiple platforms and takes away some of the suckage of Objective C. >>>> >>>> One idea I had was perhaps a meet-up app for conlangers in general, >>>> whereby you tick the list of languages you speak or are learning to sp= eak >>>> and perhaps your level of proficiency, and let it run in the backgroun= d >>>> occasionally checking your location in to a central server. When some= one >>>> else with a matching conlang interest is nearby the phone can alert yo= u so >>>> you can meet up and say coi. Might be good for finding people to prac= tice >>>> with? >>>> >>>> kozmikreis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:27, kalsa wrote: >>>> >>>> coi >>>> is there any talk of making a lojbanic/lojban beginners ipod app? apps >>>> like flashcardlet are good for studying words, but i was thinking mayb= e a >>>> more lojban specific app would help for people who are already wanting= to >>>> learn, getting to look at it on the go, or maybe to hear spoken lojba= n, or >>>> maybe just to make it more accessible to a wider variety of people. Ju= st a >>>> thought. >>>> co'o >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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What he said


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On 28 jan 2012, at 09:43, kozmikreis <kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk> wrote:

Extending your line of reaso= ning, should we immediately cease distributing hard copies of the CLL becau= se the format isn't compatible with e-readers? :-p

Yes the iBook format is only compatible with a limited selection of de= vices, does that somehow invalidate taking advantage of the format in addit= ion to the plethora of open formats the new CLL can be transformed into?

kozmikreis



=
On 28 Jan 2012, at 00:10, Jonathan Jones wrote:

Not to mention the proprie= tary nature of the format that automatically excludes anyone without an iPa= d, iPod Touch, or iPhone.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM, kozmikreis = <kozmikrei= s@lojban.org.uk> wrote:
Tha= t is true, but is missing the point of the additional richness the propriet= ary iBook format allows for such as interactive multiple-choice questions, = audio clips, video clips, and other learning aids that might be attractive = in an enhanced version of the CLL :-)

kozmikreis



On 27= Jan 2012, at 21:32, Aaron Hawryluk wrote:

Or, if there's an html version in existence, it could just be ported= to .epub with Calibre...

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II X.

On Jan 27, 2012 6:50 AM, "CosmicRay" &= lt;cr@cosmicray.co.= uk> wrote:
Those were very much my thoughts too - = that porting a regularly updated open source formatted book into a propriet= ary format was going to be awfully tough to keep up with. =A0However, unlik= e apps, I think iBooks are static once published. =A0Authors don't push= out a v1.x update after the fact. =A0With this in mind it's probably s= till worth forking the next stable CLL major version and porting it, perhap= s even embedding an errata section by use of a web view that points back to= the github repo in case of any major boo-boos.

kozmikreis



On 24 Jan 2012, at 02:44, Joshua Proehl wrote:

I was just looking into the idea of creating a CLL iBook as well!=
The problem that I see is that iBooks Author doesn't appear to play ver= y nicely with the idea of streaming data in from other files. Which means t= hat it's not really possible to script "convert the source files i= nto an iBook", but rather each change made to the source files would h= ave to be manually made to the iBook as well. Which is going to rapidly bec= ome painful. Further looking into is required however, as it would be a tru= ly incredible platform to use.

----
Josh
_____________________
Instead of our drab slogging f= orth and back to the fishing boats, there's a reason to life! We can li= ft ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excell= ence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! We can learn to fly!

=97 Richard Bach, 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull,' 1970.

<= br>

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:11, kozmikrei= s <kozmikreis@lojban.org.uk> wrote:
I look forward to trying that out,= please let us know when it's available. =A0It'll be good when ther= e's finally a Lojban-specific app in the iTunes Store :-)
Regarding my conlanger meet-up app idea, I retain no rights to t= he idea should you or anyone else wants to implement it either solo or as a= collaboration.

On a slightly related note, there&= #39;s now a free iBooks Author app in the Mac App Store for authoring rich = content books for iPad consumption. =A0It looks ideal for creating and shar= ing educational textbooks. =A0The CLL as an iBook would be a good place to = start, once the latest changes to it have been completed - thoughts anyone?=

kozmikreis



On 22 Jan 2012, at 09= :13, aryrain laubels wrote:

I have written a Lojban Dictionary in pure Objective C, I am currently wait= ing for approval. I finished it a week or so ago but posted it today. But s= ome other applications would be interesting.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:58 AM, kozmikreis <kozmikreis@lojban.or= g.uk> wrote:
[repost, original seems to have be= en lost to the aether]

I've got an Apple iOS Develo= per account and would be happy to have a hand in writing a Lojban app for i= OS (and Android if I can get the damn SDK and toolset stable), it's jus= t I haven't thought of an app idea that has anything better to it than = those that already exist.

My dev language of choice would probably be the JavaScript variant from= Appcelerator, not that it's anything amazing, but it can compile to mu= ltiple platforms and takes away some of the suckage of Objective C.

One idea I had was perhaps a meet-up app for conlangers in general, whe= reby you tick the list of languages you speak or are learning to speak and = perhaps your level of proficiency, and let it run in the background occasio= nally checking your location in to a central server. =A0When someone else w= ith a matching conlang interest is nearby the phone can alert you so you ca= n meet up and say coi. =A0Might be good for finding people to practice with= ?

kozmikreis


On 12 Jan 2012, at 06:27, kalsa wrote:

coi
is there any talk of making a lojbanic/lojban beginners = ipod app? apps like flashcardlet are good for studying words, but i was thi= nking maybe a more lojban specific app would help for people who are alread= y wanting to learn, getting to =A0look at it on the go, or maybe to hear sp= oken lojban, or maybe just to make it more=A0accessible to a wider=A0variet= y=A0of people. Just a thought.=A0
co'o
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