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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: questions about 'cu'
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I am not sure I am even to a point where I want to worry about ku and
terminators just yet.

Anyway, is it correct to replace {cu} with {ca} to show that something
is happening 'right now'?  I was searching through some sentences
using lojbo jufsisku (great resource) and came across a sentence using
it so I put it in jbofi'e and looked it up in jbovlaste (more great
resources) that is how I am guessing {ca} is used from what I learned
there.  I can't find anything in Lojban For Beginners or Lojban
Reference Grammar on using {ca} although I may have missed it.

Anyway, this is the sentence I found on lojbo jufsisku: "do ca catlu
lo va tricu" which is says is supposed to translate as: "You're
looking at that tree."

sia ki'e

-RexScientiarum

On Feb 20, 9:52=A0am, Adam Lopresto <adamlopre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to further what others have said, and try to make it more concrete,
> you can achieve anything without {cu}, but sometimes at the expense of
> adding terminators. Your example is splendid. If we wanted to omit {cu}, =
we
> could instead use
>
> .iure'e le cevni ku kurji ko
>
> (using the actual terminator for LE in place of the catch-all {cu}), or w=
e
> could rearrange things so we wouldn't need any separator at all.
>
> .iure'e le cevni ko kurji
>
> All of them are valid, all mean exactly the same thing, and your style is
> entirely your choice. The last form is the shortest, and matches my
> personal style. The {ku} version may be better as you're getting the hang
> of terminators. The {cu} version has the marginal benefit of explicitly
> marking the selbri, instead of relying on the listener to know that we've
> gotten to that level (I've heard people praise that, again in more
> complicated examples where it makes a difference). TMTOWTDI
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Lee Carlson <lorddr...@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> > My thanks. I created a farewell, based on my spiritual path's "blessed
> > be," which I render as *iure'e le cevni cu kurji ko* by which I mean
> > "with spiritual love I direct you to act in such a way that your percep=
tion
> > of god (the divine) cares about/for you." Have I accomplished my goal?
>
> > mi'o mi'e brais
>
> > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Michael Turniansky <
> > mturnian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> =A0 Yes, don't let lindar and his dialect contingent mislead you. =A0I=
t DOES
> >> serve a purpose, but it can be worked around, as well. =A0Its purpose =
is to
> >> mark which word/phrase in a bridi that is the main relationship. =A0Ca=
n it be
> >> worked around? =A0Yes, but as Pierre mentioned, it means properly clos=
ing off
> >> all open structures before then.
>
> >> =A0 =A0So, what would you use in its place? =A0That depnds entirely on=
 what
> >> needs terminating. =A0If nothing needs closing, the you don't need it.
>
> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa
>
> >> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Lee Carlson <lorddr...@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>
> >>> And here I was told that without cu one of my favorite statements mad=
e
> >>> no sense at all. So what is it: does cu serve a purpose, or not? If n=
ot,
> >>> then what would I use in it's place?
>
> >>> mi'o brais
>
> >>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Lindar <lindartheb...@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>
> >>>> The short answer:
> >>>> It's never necessary. NEVER.
> >>>> It's a handy shortcut sometimes.
> >>>> Learn to do without it at first or your grammar will suck.
>
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