mi'e .tavic. .i mi sipna

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Patrick <sonarman.77@gmail.com> = wrote:

Well, so far I haven't managed to find a= nything which says the way I wrote it is wrong. =A0"LE PU broda" = constructions and "LE broda PU brode" both appear, with the meani= ng of the "LE PU broda" being equivalent to what I said it would = be individually (CLL C 10 12.12), and "LE broda PU brode" giving = the meaning I said that fragment would have (CLL, C 6, 2.8), however, I hav= en't yet found any examples of the two types together (namely, "LE= PU broda PU brode") and *why* that's unambiguous. =A0CLL C 10 *do= es* say " The placement of a tense construct within a Lojban bridi is easy: righ= t before the selbri. It goes immediately after the ``cu'', and can = in fact always replace the ``cu'' (although in very complex sentenc= es the rules for eliding terminators may be changed as a result).=A0= " =A0I feel confident in thinking that what I wrote is both gramatical= ly correct and conveyed the meaning I wanted it to, I'm just looking fo= r how I'm right. Will update again soon.

mi'e .tavic.

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Patrick &= lt;sonarman.77@g= mail.com> wrote:

Hmm, I'm not sure. =A0There might have to still be a "cu" in = there, but I'm not positive. =A0I think maybe you can't nest PU ins= ide of tanru? =A0I'll get back to you in a few minutes. =A0My disclaime= r before I begin to find out just how wrong I am: =A0I'm very tired, an= d it's very late in my time zone. =A0Write again soon.

mi'e .tavic.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Klaus F. Abel <kfa@gmx.net> wro= te:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:07:58 -1000
Patrick <sona= rman.77@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, I wouldn't say that "ca" (or any of selma'o PU= ) can replace "cu"
> unambiguously. =A0Take the following sentence:
>
> lo ca klama ca pinxe
>
> In this case, the first "ca" attaches to the sumti to make i= t mean
> something like "the one currently going", where the second &= quot;ca" attaches to
> the selbri of the entire bridi, for a total meaning of "the one c= urrently
> going is currently drinking", possibly alluding to someone drinki= ng while
> driving or biking.
>

How do you identify "pinxe" as a selbri in this case at all= , i.e. what stops one from reading the whole "ca klama ca pinxe" = as a tanru (regardless of how it would make sense in translation)? Is this = really ambiguous, or just plain wrong (the selbri reading, I mean)?

Klaus

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