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yes cu does serve a purpose. It's a shortcut for "close everything that
needs closing so that I can say the selbri now".

So in "lo ctuca cu citka lo plise" "cu" is a shortcut for plain old "ku"
(not much of an advantage here). But it can come in handy in situations
like "lo nu mi pensi lo nu mi cusku lu zenba cu se kakne". Here "cu is
standing in for "li'u kei kei". Sometimes it's easier for lazier folk like
myself to be able to say "ugh, that convoluted sumti is done, now I want to
do the selbri... shoot what all needs closing? Bah forget it.  'cu'. "
On Feb 19, 2012 7:21 AM, "Lee Carlson" <lorddraqo@gmail.com> wrote:

> And here I was told that without cu one of my favorite statements made no
> sense at all. So what is it: does cu serve a purpose, or not? If not, then
> what would I use in it's place?
>
> mi'o brais
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The short answer:
>> It's never necessary. NEVER.
>> It's a handy shortcut sometimes.
>> Learn to do without it at first or your grammar will suck.
>>
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<p>yes cu does serve a purpose. It&#39;s a shortcut for &quot;close everyth=
ing that needs closing so that I can say the selbri now&quot;.</p>
<p>So in &quot;lo ctuca cu citka lo plise&quot; &quot;cu&quot; is a shortcu=
t for plain old &quot;ku&quot; (not much of an advantage here). But it can =
come in handy in situations like &quot;lo nu mi pensi lo nu mi cusku lu zen=
ba cu se kakne&quot;. Here &quot;cu is standing in for &quot;li&#39;u kei k=
ei&quot;. Sometimes it&#39;s easier for lazier folk like myself to be able =
to say &quot;ugh, that convoluted sumti is done, now I want to do the selbr=
i... shoot what all needs closing? Bah forget it.=A0 &#39;cu&#39;. &quot;</=
p>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Feb 19, 2012 7:21 AM, &quot;Lee Carlson&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lorddraqo@gmail.com">lorddraqo@gmail.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
And here I was told that without cu one of my favorite statements made no s=
ense at all. So what is it: does cu serve a purpose, or not? If not, then w=
hat would I use in it&#39;s place?<br><br>mi&#39;o brais<br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Lindar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:lindarthebard@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

The short answer:<div>It&#39;s never necessary. NEVER.</div><div>It&#39;s a=
 handy shortcut sometimes.</div><div>Learn to do without it at first or you=
r grammar will suck.</div><div>

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