Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:62230) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RzSyw-0008Q4-Du; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:08:46 -0800 Received: by bkty15 with SMTP id y15sf6659075bkt.16 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:08:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VGyhPX+5T3wlxWmnDUulYgY7ZkYydS8EfYb91oWh/Tw=; b=Ywutlivvd2884MhsGoA+1GjzO9NwgRDc/Sve3Vgcvp2TYGRt3LYC5P8XInwn0cykHz VTZHxTCiut6RjuG4uVGYvRfjhOylFZUqnhqvHQDsdWUUh434Dhk3lXSs+Kw72hCehnAE 9xiwq52tAgYuS6mGdEflTbYyOkAZzdfX3O5Po= Received: by 10.204.156.144 with SMTP id x16mr1344300bkw.34.1329743293978; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:08:13 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.12.73 with SMTP id w9ls7253560bkw.9.gmail; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.153.5 with SMTP id i5mr1497978bkw.1.1329743292928; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.153.5 with SMTP id i5mr1497977bkw.1.1329743292910; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f42.google.com (mail-bk0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si22612663bkz.0.2012.02.20.05.08.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.42; Received: by mail-bk0-f42.google.com with SMTP id je15so5124878bkc.29 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 10.204.13.82 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.13.82; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.13.82]) by 10.204.13.82 with SMTP id b18mr11364817bka.88.1329743292868 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:08:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.13.82 with SMTP id b18mr9172372bka.88.1329743292781; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.60.133 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:08:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1347051.419.1329676858409.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynnk21> References: <20175076.35.1329644296130.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynlt17> <1347051.419.1329676858409.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynnk21> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:08:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: questions about 'cu' From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c35fa9bd4b304b964fccb X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4582 --0015174c35fa9bd4b304b964fccb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And let me add, that I don't disagree with Lindar on that point. While I've never personally had a problem with the concept of the terminators, I have to concede that experience has shown that most people learn lojban better by learning and using them first before they can feel comfortable and confident removing them when unnecessary. My issues with lindar have always been more on the abrasive dogmatism of his pronouncements, rather than the reasoning behind it. --gejys[a On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Lindar wrote: > Yes, wonderfully. > > My point was that you shouldn't use {cu} when starting because it forces > you to learn fa'orma'o, which in turn helps you a lot later in advanced > speaking. > > However, your Lojban looks like how pretty much anybody else would say it. > *GREAT BIG THUMBS UP* > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/Zhg_0FOinHEJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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=A0 And let me add, that I don't disagree with Lindar = on that point. =A0While I've never personally had a problem with the co= ncept of the terminators, I have to concede that experience has shown that = most people learn lojban better by learning and using them first before the= y can feel comfortable and confident removing them when unnecessary. =A0My = issues with lindar have always been more on the abrasive dogmatism of his p= ronouncements, rather than the reasoning behind it.
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On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Lindar <= ;lindarthebard@gmail.com>= wrote:
Yes, wonderfully.

My point was that you shouldn't us= e {cu} when starting because it forces you to learn fa'orma'o, whic= h in turn helps you a lot later in advanced speaking.

However, your Lojban looks like how pretty much anybody else would say= it. *GREAT BIG THUMBS UP*

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