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I learned to use "cu" long ago, but I still don't know when or which
terminators to use without parsing and looking them up. So I agree with
gejyspa.

stevo

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>   And let me add, that I don't disagree with Lindar on that point.  While
> I've never personally had a problem with the concept of the terminators, I
> have to concede that experience has shown that most people learn lojban
> better by learning and using them first before they can feel comfortable
> and confident removing them when unnecessary.  My issues with lindar have
> always been more on the abrasive dogmatism of his pronouncements, rather
> than the reasoning behind it.
>                --gejys[a
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, wonderfully.
>>
>> My point was that you shouldn't use {cu} when starting because it forces
>> you to learn fa'orma'o, which in turn helps you a lot later in advanced
>> speaking.
>>
>> However, your Lojban looks like how pretty much anybody else would say
>> it. *GREAT BIG THUMBS UP*
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I learned to use &quot;cu&quot; long ago, but I still don&#39;t know when o=
r which terminators to use without parsing and looking them up. So I agree =
with gejyspa.=A0<div><div><br></div><div>stevo<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote">

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 And let me add, that I don&#39;t disagree with Lindar =
on that point. =A0While I&#39;ve never personally had a problem with the co=
ncept of the terminators, I have to concede that experience has shown that =
most people learn lojban better by learning and using them first before the=
y can feel comfortable and confident removing them when unnecessary. =A0My =
issues with lindar have always been more on the abrasive dogmatism of his p=
ronouncements, rather than the reasoning behind it.<div>


=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejys[a</div><div><div></div><div class=3D=
"h5"><div>=A0<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 1:4=
0 PM, Lindar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Yes, wonderfully.<div><br></div><div>My point was that you shouldn&#39;t us=
e {cu} when starting because it forces you to learn fa&#39;orma&#39;o, whic=
h in turn helps you a lot later in advanced speaking.</div><div><br></div>


<div>However, your Lojban looks like how pretty much anybody else would say=
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