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On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <
felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:

> I suggest starting with
>
> 2. mi me la .clalis.
> 3. ta me la .djan.
> 4. zo .djan. cmene ta
>
> Why use SE right at the beginning?
>
> Two reasons: 1) It's a translation of "My name is 'ceqli', which is {mi s=
e
cmene zo....|, not {mi me  la....|
2) In the original, the text in #2 and #4 are equivalent. Parallelism is a
useful feature in learning.



> Also, I recommend using the ti-series in place of the ko'a-series.
> Using the latter while pointing can cause so much confusion...
>
> In 12 we may do
>
> 12. lo prenu cu zvati tu
>

What? You do realize that in 12, ko'i (or lo prenu) and tu are referring to
different things? In this case, I'm using tu in place of {lo vu diklo}.


> Other suggestions:
>
> 17. doi .sam. ta mo / sedyta'u (no regard for the original)
> 18. ti sedyta'u .i mi jgari lo sedyta'u lo xance .i mi xance jgari lo
> sedyta'u
>

Yeah, I'm sticking with the translation that does have regard for the
original, but thanks.


>
> (By the way, any particular reason for using {sedyta'u} instead of
> {mapku}?)
>

Yes. sedyta'u is what vlasisku told me. My vocab isn't as good as it could
be.

>
> mu'o
> mi'e .asiz.
>
>

--=20
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Felipe Gon=E7al=
ves Assis <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail.com">=
felipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">
I suggest starting with<br>
<br>
2. mi me la .clalis.<br>
3. ta me la .djan.<br>
4. zo .djan. cmene ta<br>
<br>
Why use SE right at the beginning?<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Two reasons: 1) It&#39;s a translation of &quot;My na=
me is &#39;ceqli&#39;, which is {mi se cmene zo....|, not {mi me=A0 la....|=
<br>2) In the original, the text in #2 and #4 are equivalent. Parallelism i=
s a useful feature in learning.<br>
</div><div><br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Also, I recommend using the ti-series in place of the ko&#39;a-series.<br>
Using the latter while pointing can cause so much confusion...<br>
<br>
In 12 we may do<br>
<br>
12. lo prenu cu zvati tu<br></blockquote><div><br>What? You do realize that=
 in 12, ko&#39;i (or lo prenu) and tu are referring to different things? In=
 this case, I&#39;m using tu in place of {lo vu diklo}.<br>=A0</div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">


Other suggestions:<br>
<br>
17. doi .sam. ta mo / sedyta&#39;u (no regard for the original)<br>
18. ti sedyta&#39;u .i mi jgari lo sedyta&#39;u lo xance .i mi xance jgari =
lo sedyta&#39;u<br></blockquote><div>=A0</div><div>Yeah, I&#39;m sticking w=
ith the translation that does have regard for the original, but thanks.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
(By the way, any particular reason for using {sedyta&#39;u} instead of {map=
ku}?)<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes. sedyta&#39;u is what vlasisku told me. =
My vocab isn&#39;t as good as it could be. <br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<br>
mu&#39;o<br>
mi&#39;e .asiz.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br cl=
ear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko c=
mima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the =
Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
<br>

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