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On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2012/3/3 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>:
> > I suggest starting with
> >
> > 2. mi me la .clalis.
>
> Why not simply {mi'e la .clalis} ?
>

No second- or third-person equivalent to mi'e exists in Lojban currently.


> BTW, {clalis} doesn't have the same sound of the orginal that is (if I
> understood correctly) roughly equivalent to the Chinese "Chen Li" I'd
> prefer {tcenlis}
>

Yes, I know. I mentioned as much when I spoke about my reasons for choosing
.clalis.


>  > 3. ta me la .djan.
> This seems a good place to assign {ko'a} -> 3. ta goi ko'a me la .djan.
>

 No, a good place to assign ko'a is in panel #2:

1. coi
2. mi se cmene zo.clalis.
3. ko'a goi la.djan
4. ko'a se cmene zo.djan.
5. cy: coi.djan.
    dy: coi.clalis.


> > 4. zo .djan. cmene ta
> I would use the lujvo {selme'e} -> 4. ko'a selme'e zo .djan.
> This would avoid using {se}, I agree it's too early, the nintandi
> would not know about the relationship between {selme'e} and {cmene},
> they would just guess it means "is named".
>

Um, except for the missing "used by namer x3", that IS what {se cmene}
means. I don't see the problem.

>
> > Also, I recommend using the ti-series in place of the ko'a-series.
> Not sure. I would prefer introducing {ko'a} and friends.
>
> > Using the latter while pointing can cause so much confusion...
> >
> > In 12 we may do
> > 12. lo prenu cu zvati tu
>
> My preference would be {vuku ko'e goi tu zvati}
>
> Using {tu} as zvati2 seems too prone to ambiguity. At least it should
> be {lovu} so that it is clear you're talking about "there yonder".
>

lovu what? gadri (lo) convert selbri into sumti. tense markers apply
location and/or time information to a bridi. {lovu} by itself is not a
sumti.


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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Remo Dentato <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rdentato@gmail.com">rdentato@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
2012/3/3 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:felipeg.assis@gmail=
.com">felipeg.assis@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; I suggest starting with<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2. mi me la .clalis.<br>
<br>
</div>Why not simply {mi&#39;e la .clalis} ?<br></blockquote><div><br>No se=
cond- or third-person equivalent to mi&#39;e exists in Lojban currently.<br=
>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

BTW, {clalis} doesn&#39;t have the same sound of the orginal that is (if I<=
br>
understood correctly) roughly equivalent to the Chinese &quot;Chen Li&quot;=
 I&#39;d<br>
prefer {tcenlis}<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, I know. I mentioned as much =
when I spoke about my reasons for choosing .clalis.<br>=A0</div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">
&gt; 3. ta me la .djan.<br>
</div>This seems a good place to assign {ko&#39;a} -&gt; 3. ta goi ko&#39;a=
 me la .djan.<br></blockquote><div><br>=A0No, a good place to assign ko&#39=
;a is in panel #2:<br><img style=3D"" id=3D"pbImage471745" src=3D"http://ce=
qli.pbworks.com/f/1311267711/cpic0001.jpg" alt=3D"" width=3D"200" height=3D=
"200"><img id=3D"pbImage263610" src=3D"http://ceqli.pbworks.com/f/131126771=
3/cpic0002.jpg" alt=3D"" width=3D"200" height=3D"200"><img id=3D"pbImage192=
778" src=3D"http://ceqli.pbworks.com/f/1311268618/cpic0003.jpg" alt=3D"" wi=
dth=3D"200" height=3D"200"><img id=3D"pbImage728563" src=3D"http://ceqli.pb=
works.com/f/1311267715/cpic0004.jpg" alt=3D"" width=3D"200" height=3D"200">=
<img id=3D"pbImage656551" src=3D"http://ceqli.pbworks.com/f/1311267718/cpic=
0005.jpg" alt=3D"" width=3D"200" height=3D"200"><br>
1. coi<br>

2. mi se cmene zo.clalis.
<div>
3. ko&#39;a goi la.djan</div>

4. ko&#39;a se cmene zo.djan.<br>5. cy: coi.djan.<br>
=A0=A0=A0 dy: coi.clalis.
<br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; 4. zo .djan. cmene ta<br>
</div>I would use the lujvo {selme&#39;e} -&gt; 4. ko&#39;a selme&#39;e zo =
.djan.<br>
This would avoid using {se}, I agree it&#39;s too early, the nintandi<br>
would not know about the relationship between {selme&#39;e} and {cmene},<br=
>
they would just guess it means &quot;is named&quot;.<br></blockquote><div><=
br>Um, except for the missing &quot;used by namer x3&quot;, that IS what {s=
e cmene} means. I don&#39;t see the problem. <br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; Also, I recommend using the ti-series in place of the ko&#39;a-series.=
<br>
</div>Not sure. I would prefer introducing {ko&#39;a} and friends.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; Using the latter while pointing can cause so much confusion...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; In 12 we may do<br>
&gt; 12. lo prenu cu zvati tu<br>
<br>
</div>My preference would be {vuku ko&#39;e goi tu zvati}<br>
<br>
Using {tu} as zvati2 seems too prone to ambiguity. At least it should<br>
be {lovu} so that it is clear you&#39;re talking about &quot;there yonder&q=
uot;.<br></blockquote><div><br>lovu what? gadri (lo) convert selbri into su=
mti. tense markers apply location and/or time information to a bridi. {lovu=
} by itself is not a sumti.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
remod<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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