Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:57736) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S3y0v-00013K-RL; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:05:25 -0800 Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3sf2827685yen.16 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:05:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jnCN95OFjXEw47PWSdcMpjGgTvDPAnUhBdpQfvsYJKU=; b=nmK/0MnV0hUD2ZV/JWfZFYY6MzIuN5X5KaTKh8/pE9rhfdTqPyGVqx88wlCsdTPJzV WFvqAnMsVnIF4aJJlEpLZYxRk9KEwKXjM5PX448dyelnbVacfRFEDwH/jj4JmzrAZ+jw E8un/DRJr3303mztwzqdifJcIVOmf+QZE0o4I= Received: by 10.50.192.161 with SMTP id hh1mr956960igc.5.1330815889558; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:04:49 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.107.38 with SMTP id gz6ls1597705igb.2.gmail; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.169.2 with SMTP id aa2mr1890363igc.1.1330815888010; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.169.2 with SMTP id aa2mr1890362igc.1.1330815887994; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:04:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f178.google.com (mail-iy0-f178.google.com [209.85.210.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id md3si351423igc.1.2012.03.03.15.04.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:04:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.178; Received: by mail-iy0-f178.google.com with SMTP id l21so4932429iak.23 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:04:47 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 10.50.46.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.46.194; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.50.46.194]) by 10.50.46.194 with SMTP id x2mr2599219igm.60.1330815887959 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:04:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.46.194 with SMTP id x2mr2174525igm.60.1330815887892; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:04:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.133.73 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:04:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8929c895-6264-4ae8-b9ff-1d3b3094d404@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <20120302180216.GP29980@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4F5156CA.3040104@plasmatix.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:04:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Let's do something like this for Lojban! 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Remo Dentato wrote: > >> 2012/3/3 Felipe Gonçalves Assis : >> > I suggest starting with >> > >> > 2. mi me la .clalis. >> >> Why not simply {mi'e la .clalis} ? >> > > No second- or third-person equivalent to mi'e exists in Lojban currently. > I don't see how this is relevant, {mi'e xxx} is the most common way to introduce oneself and I think it should be thought early. 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She's the only one in panel 2. > 3. ko'a goi la.djan > This doesn't mean "this is jan", it simply assigns {ko'a} to {la .djan.} without asserting anything else. > 4.would not know about the relationship between {selme'e} and {cmene}, > they would just guess it means "is named". > >> This would avoid using {se}, I agree it's too early, the nintandi >> > > Um, except for the missing "used by namer x3", that IS what {se cmene} > means. I don't see the problem. > {selme'e} and {se cmene} are exactly the same, I'm arguing that using the latter is more confusing for nintadni. > lovu what? gadri (lo) convert selbri into sumti. > right, I wrote that in a hurry. It's another reason I stand for using {vuku}. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. 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On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:30 A= M, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
2012/3/3 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>:
> I suggest starting with
>
> 2. mi me la .clalis.

Why not simply {mi'e la .clalis} ?
No second- or third-person equivalent to mi'e exists in Lojban current= ly.
I don't see how this is relevant, = {mi'e xxx} is the most common way to introduce oneself and I think it s= hould be thought early.
=A0
> 3. ta me la .djan.
This se= ems a good place to assign {ko'a} -> 3. ta goi ko'a me la .djan.=

=A0No, a good place to assign ko'a is in pa= nel #2:
=A0
You mean, you want to assig= n ko'a to clalis? She's the only one in panel 2.


3. ko'a goi la.djan
This doesn= 't mean "this is jan", it simply assigns {ko'a} to {la .d= jan.} without asserting anything else.
=A0
4.would not know about the relationship between {selme'e} and {cmene},<= br> they would just guess it means "is named".
This would avoid using {se}, I a= gree it's too early, the nintandi

Um, except for the missing "used by namer x3&quo= t;, that IS what {se cmene} means. I don't see the problem.
<= /div>

{selme'e} and {se cmene} are exactly the sam= e, I'm arguing that using the latter is more confusing for nintadni.

lovu what? gadri (lo) convert selbri into s= umti.
right, I wrote that in a hurry. It's another re= ason I stand for using=A0 {vuku}.
=A0


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