On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alv= es Assis <f= elipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3 March 2012 19:23, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis
> <felipeg.assis@gmail.com= > wrote:
>>
>> I suggest starting with
>>
>> 2. mi me la .clalis.
>> 3. ta me la .djan.
>> 4. zo .djan. cmene ta
>>
>> Why use SE right at the beginning?
>>
> Two reasons: 1) It's a translation of "My name is 'ceqli&= #39;, which is {mi se
> cmene zo....|, not {mi me=A0 la....|
> 2) In the original, the text in #2 and #4 are equivalent. Parallelism = is a
> useful feature in learning.
>

1) I value writing a good introductory text more than translating the= original
faithfully. I thought the idea was just to take advantage of the pictures..= .

I don't think {mi me la.clalis.} is a better= introductory text than {mi se cmene zo.clalis.}, especially considering th= at to my knowledge no jbopre has ever introduced themselves with {mi me ...= }.

The idea was to make a Lojban version of it. That's more than merel= y the pictures. In fact, the original idea was to re-do the artwork, meanin= g in my mind that the content is more important than the visuals.
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2) I know parallelism is important. That is why I made 2 and 3 parallel. It is true, though, that pictures 2 and 4 are parallel.

Which is precisely why the text should be parallel in #2 & #4.

>
>>
>> Also, I recommend using the ti-series in place of the ko'a-ser= ies.
>> Using the latter while pointing can cause so much confusion...
>>
>> In 12 we may do
>>
>> 12. lo prenu cu zvati tu
>
>
> What? You do realize that in 12, ko'i (or lo prenu) and tu are ref= erring to
> different things? In this case, I'm using tu in place of {lo vu di= klo}.
>

I understand this. I made the remark precisely because {ko'i} sho= uld not be
replaced by {tu} in this sentence, but I still think that {ko'i}
should be avoided.

On the other hand, in frames 3, 4, 7 and 9, where there is pointing, the be= st
would be to use {ta} instead of {ko'a}/{ko'e}.

I disagree. ko'a - vo'u are Lojban's he, she, and it. Unli= ke most languages, we get 8 of them, and they're all gender neutral. ko= 'a-vo'u aren't pointing words, they refer to a specific entity,= which may be explicitly made using goi, or implicitly assigned from contex= t. Since the ceqli original is, in English, "He is yonder (the far-awa= y there).", it is appropriate for the Lojban to be "ko'a zvat= i tu"
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