Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:40438) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S3yNs-0001eT-GF; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:29:05 -0800 Received: by daed14 with SMTP id d14sf1415377dae.16 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCh0sr6BBoElkpK1Q@googlegroups.com designates 10.50.214.39 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.50.214.39; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCh0sr6BBoElkpK1Q@googlegroups.com designates 10.50.214.39 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban-beginners+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCh0sr6BBoElkpK1Q@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban-beginners+bncCK7Yk5CUCxCh0sr6BBoElkpK1Q@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.50.214.39]) by 10.50.214.39 with SMTP id nx7mr3435716igc.1.1330817338492 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:28:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bexBF3ympX7sSWezIUgfxcdQLdW4grXtcHUczcTDYzU=; b=J9M5WDAJIG5MtPvPUNb+9JnvuqEo/GZMXgPje0NETZWManTo6HJoWL4Em5I6cbp2n5 eaAJJN9J+TkU90Vo7adkmX79ZYf9LWhL3sVuaB61oIDUTeKjaqKcdSuFFhMI8HVnjVo0 4odyHdUuUkvLEUXK23n9Yju4rPLIvoj/m4eVw= Received: by 10.50.214.39 with SMTP id nx7mr956623igc.1.1330817313157; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:28:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.28.130 with SMTP id m2ls6396334ibc.5.gmail; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.169.33 with SMTP id ab1mr1961061igc.1.1330817311934; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.169.33 with SMTP id ab1mr1961059igc.1.1330817311925; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f181.google.com (mail-iy0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gv1si3763667igb.3.2012.03.03.15.28.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.181; Received: by mail-iy0-f181.google.com with SMTP id o28so4338265iao.26 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:28:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.42.169 with SMTP id p9mr2229215igl.52.1330817311855; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.133.73 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:28:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8929c895-6264-4ae8-b9ff-1d3b3094d404@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <20120302180216.GP29980@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4F5156CA.3040104@plasmatix.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 00:28:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Let's do something like this for Lojban! From: Remo Dentato To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1838 On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> 2) I know parallelism is important. That is why I made 2 and 3 parallel. >> It is true, though, that pictures 2 and 4 are parallel. > > Which is precisely why the text should be parallel in #2 & #4. I agree one should preserve the orginal as much as possible but not without stretching Lojban. I English you say "My name is", in German you have a specific verb for this: "ich hei=DFe" while in French, Spanish and Italian you use the equivalent of "I call myself" ("je m'appel", "me llamo" and "mi chiamo"). What would you think if I would say "I call myself Remo" instead of "My name is Remo" just to be faithful to the original sentence? It wouldn't not be good English. > I disagree. ko'a - vo'u are Lojban's he, she, and it. Unlike most languag= es, > we get 8 of them, and they're all gender neutral. ko'a-vo'u aren't pointi= ng > words, they refer to a specific entity, which may be explicitly made usin= g > goi, or implicitly assigned from context. I disagree here. While I'm a great support of "meaning by context", on his own {ko'a} has no meaning and can't be used the same way the third person is used in English and other languages. >> > Yeah, I'm sticking with the translation that does have regard for the >> > original, but thanks. >> >> Ok, but why? > > Because it has regard for the original, obviously. Which is fine as long the translation is proper Lojban. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.