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[85.115.56.190]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si3073089pbq.0.2012.03.01.06.41.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:41:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk designates 85.115.56.190 as permitted sender) client-ip=85.115.56.190; Received: from aeacus.blackpool.gov.uk (aeacus.blackpool.gov.uk [195.188.21.21]) by rly32b.srv.mailcontrol.com (MailControl) with ESMTP id q21EefeB020826 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:40:51 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [lojban-beginners] Re: web-page as {seltidysfe} ({se tcidu sefta}) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:39:10 -0000 Message-ID: <9DE5DB0988ED6C448E606734F5030D383399777D@bbcmbmx01.blackpool.gov.uk> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [lojban-beginners] Re: web-page as {seltidysfe} ({se tcidu sefta}) Thread-Index: Acz3uIc3Hs75FeLxTvmbaG0CIQOB7QAACq1Q From: "Michael Eaton" To: X-Scanned-By: MailControl 7.6.6 (www.mailcontrol.com) on 10.66.0.142 X-Original-Sender: michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk designates 85.115.56.190 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CCF7B9.10A68233" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 13639 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCF7B9.10A68233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed. The Oxford Concise in front of me defines page in English to mean '= one side of leaf of book, etc', which seems pretty much identical to the be= low definition. Basically, what's wrong with using {papri} when the argumen= t presented against using it is based on a definition which is practically = identical to that of the word 'page' itself? -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegrou= ps.com]On Behalf Of MorphemeAddict Sent: 01 March 2012 14:35 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: web-page as {seltidysfe} ({se tcidu sef= ta}) This just seems wrong. Any word can be extended metaphorically. =20 stevo On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:26 AM, gleki < gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: {papri} - x1 is a [physical] page/leaf of book/document/bound mass of pages= x2.=20 So it doesn't refer to page in general. On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:24:01 PM UTC+4, junpen wrote:=20 coi la gleki .i zoi zoi I call "page" in general for {papri} and a physical sheet of paper with a w= ritten text for {bofpapri}. zoi .i mi se ctuca fi di'u gi'e tugni fi ri .i mi'e la junpen mu'o Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 2012 kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skrev gleki:=20 We had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban.=20 What we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for. Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is the most = general definition of any written text or media embedded into it. A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain not o= nly text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps). On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a sheet of pa= per with a written text. Note that {kibypapri} has two noticeable bugs. 1. it references to {papri} that can be only physical 2. we can say either {papri} or {kibypapri} but not "page" in general One more note. {ckupau} is a page of a book and therefore doesn't apply to web-pages which= can be single. Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 2012 kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skrev gleki:=20 We had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban.=20 What we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for. Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is the most = general definition of any written text or media embedded into it. A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain not o= nly text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps). On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a sheet of pa= per with a written text. Note that {kibypapri} has two noticeable bugs. 1. it references to {papri} that can be only physical 2. we can say either {papri} or {kibypapri} but not "page" in general One more note. {ckupau} is a page of a book and therefore doesn't apply to web-pages which= can be single. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban-beginners/-/-3AD0jlpk-sJ.=20 To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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Agreed. The Oxford Concise in front of me defines page in English to mean 'one side of leaf of book, etc', which seems pretty much identical to the below definition. Basically, what's wrong with using {papri} when the argument presented against using it is based on a definition which is practically identical to that of the word 'page' itself?
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From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of MorphemeAddict
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: web-page as {seltidysfe} ({se tcidu sefta})

This just seems wrong. Any word can be extended metaphorically. 

stevo

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:26 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
{papri} - x1 is a [physical] page/leaf of book/document/bound mass of pages x2.
So it doesn't refer to page in general.


On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:24:01 PM UTC+4, junpen wrote:
coi la gleki
.i zoi zoi

I call "page" in general for {papri} and a physical sheet of paper with a written text for {bofpapri}.

zoi
.i mi se ctuca fi di'u gi'e tugni fi ri

.i mi'e la junpen mu'o

Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 2012 kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skrev gleki:
We had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban.
What we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for.
Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is the most general definition of any written text or media embedded into it.
A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain not only text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps).
On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a sheet of paper with a written text.

Note that {kibypapri} has two noticeable bugs.
1. it references to {papri} that can be only physical
2. we can say either {papri} or {kibypapri} but not "page" in general

One more note.
{ckupau} is a page of a book and therefore doesn't apply to web-pages which can be single.

Den torsdagen den 23:e februari 2012 kl. 18:52:53 UTC+9 skrev gleki:
We had a discussion yesterday with one Russian guy interested in lojban.
What we decided is that {kibypapri} is not what it's intended for.
Our eye scans some surface and reads information from it. This is the most general definition of any written text or media embedded into it.
A web-page is what can be called {kibro seltidysfe} as it may contain not only text and it can be not only two-dimensional (in future, perhaps).
On the other hand {pelji seltidysfe} might be a good term for a sheet of paper with a written text.

Note that {kibypapri} has two noticeable bugs.
1. it references to {papri} that can be only physical
2. we can say either {papri} or {kibypapri} but not "page" in general

One more note.
{ckupau} is a page of a book and therefore doesn't apply to web-pages which can be single.

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