Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:52237)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128)
	(Exim 4.76)
	(envelope-from <lojban-beginners+bncCKOXn8wTEPGHzvoEGgSjwjbZ@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1S4CxM-0008EG-UC; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 07:02:41 -0800
Received: by ggmi2 with SMTP id i2sf3316970ggm.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 07:02:34 -0800 (PST)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCKOXn8wTEPGHzvoEGgSjwjbZ@googlegroups.com designates 10.236.182.4 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.182.4;
Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCKOXn8wTEPGHzvoEGgSjwjbZ@googlegroups.com designates 10.236.182.4 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban-beginners+bncCKOXn8wTEPGHzvoEGgSjwjbZ@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban-beginners+bncCKOXn8wTEPGHzvoEGgSjwjbZ@googlegroups.com
Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.182.4])
        by 10.236.182.4 with SMTP id n4mr6230733yhm.6.1330873354442 (num_hops = 1);
        Sun, 04 Mar 2012 07:02:34 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version
         :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to
         :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post
         :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe
         :content-type;
        bh=4mOhIWT9goC15qDNCnOXFPCVpRceRI3K5oHqqsUzY0Y=;
        b=Tao4g3hQxxhWxyu6GXAF8ijwfqctcBxCjZIDowFevERg6XlnF5HsO8UOMeqOZnGNQl
         5cGLy/yLjiJJ9vFRN0Fdpz6wDKH7jHKwlP7klqmpTqanmlOM2MOdby0vqi43mzkXM4hU
         +usyyLVJIwIIK2b6rykOhmS2yi+IzhPyRJX9A=
Received: by 10.236.182.4 with SMTP id n4mr1798384yhm.6.1330873329143;
        Sun, 04 Mar 2012 07:02:09 -0800 (PST)
X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.101.196.22 with SMTP id y22ls3947665anp.2.gmail; Sun, 04 Mar
 2012 07:02:07 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.236.180.2 with SMTP id i2mr1805873yhm.14.1330873327781;
        Sun, 04 Mar 2012 07:02:07 -0800 (PST)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:02:07 -0800 (PST)
From: gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Message-ID: <9878131.2046.1330873327452.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbw15>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] {cnita} - below or down ?
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com
X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of
 gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender)
 smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass
 header.i=@gmail.com
Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban-beginners.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban-beginners+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/subscribe?hl=en_US>,
 <mailto:lojban-beginners+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/subscribe?hl=en_US>,
 <mailto:googlegroups-manage+300742228892+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
	boundary="----=_Part_2045_6610852.1330873327452"
X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/)
X-Spam_score: 0.0
X-Spam_score_int: 0
X-Spam_bar: /
Content-Length: 2394

------=_Part_2045_6610852.1330873327452
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

{cnita}  - x1 is directly/vertically beneath/below/under/underneath/down 
from x2 in frame of reference x3.

is there any direction vector in this definition ?
Does {cnita} presuppose any movement from the upper part to what is located 
beneath ?
What is more important
{nitkla} k1 descends/goes down to k2=c1 from k3=c2 via k4 using means k5.

Is it really so ?
Why can't it mean {goes in the lower part of k2=c1...} ?
Or should I use {dizlo} in such cases ?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/jsinuV3ARfAJ.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.


------=_Part_2045_6610852.1330873327452
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

{cnita} &nbsp;-&nbsp;x1 is directly/vertically beneath/below/under/undernea=
th/down from x2 in frame of reference x3.<div><br></div><div>is there any d=
irection vector in this definition ?</div><div>Does {cnita} presuppose any =
movement from the upper part to what is located beneath ?</div><div>What is=
 more important</div><div>{nitkla} k1 descends/goes down to k2=3Dc1 from k3=
=3Dc2 via k4 using means k5.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Is it really so ?=
</div><div>Why can't it mean {goes in the lower part of k2=3Dc1...} ?</div>=
<div>Or should I use {dizlo} in such cases ?</div>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
Lojban Beginners" group.<br />
To view this discussion on the web visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.c=
om/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/jsinuV3ARfAJ">https://groups.google.com/d/msg/l=
ojban-beginners/-/jsinuV3ARfAJ</a>.<br />=20
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.<br =
/>
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@=
googlegroups.com.<br />

For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
-beginners?hl=3Den.<br />



------=_Part_2045_6610852.1330873327452--