Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:41582) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S3CRI-0001Ub-Ta; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:17:31 -0800 Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3sf938778lag.16 for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCzsr_6BBoEyFjFaQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.155.72 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.155.72; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCzsr_6BBoEyFjFaQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.155.72 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCzsr_6BBoEyFjFaQ@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCzsr_6BBoEyFjFaQ@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.155.72]) by 10.204.155.72 with SMTP id r8mr2508872bkw.26.1330633037021 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:17:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ARyeKMeHXnXm84dL9P09X2ArTHO0KRjSHYf/KIqHEqU=; b=3v33F7i3gs88V6L0mMPZ5yWtQft4Vt6sRruGZ1wBRgE4yqln0FhC4cGEdrtsg6/QAG 9FDvcZlZqRZo4BhGvee8tIxcwb4eihLaGo/jfOvkpU3+n3bC0ZF2lnn9T7NVUvDOt9FG Ikl2iw57yeXQRxMbXPgcltKnHy77asr7vdDYw= Received: by 10.204.155.72 with SMTP id r8mr736560bkw.26.1330633011523; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:16:51 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.143.211 with SMTP id w19ls2716144bku.9.gmail; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr559642bkv.6.1330633009574; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr559641bkv.6.1330633009532; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si3429461bkz.0.2012.03.01.12.16.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.54; Received: by mail-bk0-f54.google.com with SMTP id jc3so1643987bkc.27 for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 10.112.101.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.101.194; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.101.194]) by 10.112.101.194 with SMTP id fi2mr3122081lbb.25.1330633009445 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:16:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.101.194 with SMTP id fi2mr2533061lbb.25.1330633009192; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:16:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 13:16:49 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] mi'a .e ko.e'u se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040169b5d6e1bb04ba34233a X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 12445 --f46d040169b5d6e1bb04ba34233a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No worries. I had the same trouble when I first played: http://groups.google.com/group/xedbig/browse_frm/thread/e471f1ad9f8b52f5?pl= i=3D1 I'm going based off experience, and .alyn. never did any real explanation, either. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd wr= ote: > Ok, everything you say make sense. Next time maybe a short introduction t= o > the game before starting it?? I didn't know what I was supposed to do > really. > > co'omi'e jongausib > > > > Den torsdagen den 1:e mars 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones: > > I nearly forgot. This is supposed to a be a group thing, so more than > one person ought to be responding, as well. If the players are capable, I= 'm > willing to skip past basic selbri and assume everyone's at least familiar > with grammar as laid out in L4B or equivalent. > > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > > > > As I said, the game is a learning one. Specifically, this game is > designed to teach someone a new language from nothing, learning words, > grammar, etc. by playing the game. > > > > Basically, your answers were overly complicated. There's no rule that > says you can't use stuff that hasn't been introduced, but I'm betting > that's because it's not expected for the players to know anything that > hasn't. > > > > In any case, the reason why {ko'a rokci} is the answer to {ko'a mo} is > because all you're expected to know is {.i ko'a goi ta rokci .i ko'e goi = ta > grana} > > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd > wrote: > > > > well, I see myself as a lojban beginner. I understand your reply, but I > will not try to answer in lojban. I get your point to make things simple > for beginners, but I don't really get the rules for this game. And if the > content is pretty pointless, the whole thing seem pretty pointless, even > for =E0 beginner as me. Sorry, for thinking too much. > > fa'omi'e jongausib > > > > Den torsdagen den 1:e mars 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones= : > >> ti xe cilre nunkei .i do duspei .i ji'a le vi nunkei cu tese zu'edji r= o > nintadni .i ku'inai lo bridi cu tese zu'edji lo sampu > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < > so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> .i go'e gi'e go'a .i .ienaidai lo grana jenai rokci ku me ko'a .o ko'e > >> > >> 2012/2/29 Jonathan Jones > >>> > >>> to .i ko'a je'a rokci toi > >>> > >>> .i xu ko'a grana > >>> .i xu ko'e rokci > >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < > so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> .i je'a ko'a rokci gi'e me lo rokci .i je'a ko'e grana gi'e me lo > grana .i ku'i ko'a mo ko'e > >>>> > >>>> Den tisdagen den 28:e februari 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones< > eyeonus@gmail.com>: > >>>> > go'i najenai go'e .i ko'a rokci .i ko'a me lo rokci .i ko'e grana > .i ko'e me lo grana > >>>> > > >>>> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < > so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > .i ko'a pe lo plini cu cmalu > >>>> > .i ku'i ko'e na'e go'i ni'i ma > >>>> > > >>>> > Den tisdagen den 28:e februari 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones< > eyeonus@gmail.com>: > >>>> >> .i ko'a mo to ko'a me ma toi .i ko'e mo to ko'e me ma toi > >>>> >> > >>>> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> lo se nunkei cu cmene lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u > >>>> >> > >>>> >> lo se skicu cu zvati zo'oi.http://lodockikumazvati.org > >>>> >> > >>>> >> .i ko'a mo .i ko'e mo > >>>> >> > >>>> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < > so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> je'e .i o'anai.u'i > >>>> >> .i ma te ci'erkei ti .uanai > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Den m=E5ndagen den 27:e februari 2012 s > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --f46d040169b5d6e1bb04ba34233a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No worries. I had the same trouble when I first played: h= ttp://groups.google.com/group/xedbig/browse_frm/thread/e471f1ad9f8b52f5?pli= =3D1

I'm going based off experience, and .alyn. never did any real expla= nation, either.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:= 46 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, everything you say make sense. Next time= maybe a short introduction to the game before starting it?? I didn't k= now what I was supposed to do really.

co'omi'e jongausib


Den torsdagen den 1:e mars 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones<eyeonus@gmail.com>:
> I nearly forgot. This is supposed to a be a group thing, so more than = one person ought to be responding, as well. If the players are capable, I&#= 39;m willing to skip past basic selbri and assume everyone's at least f= amiliar with grammar as laid out in L4B or equivalent.
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote= :
>
> As I said, the game is a learning one. Specifically, this= game is designed to teach someone a new language from nothing, learning wo= rds, grammar, etc. by playing the game.
>
> Basically, your answers were overly complicated. There's n= o rule that says you can't use stuff that hasn't been introduced, b= ut I'm betting that's because it's not expected for the players= to know anything that hasn't.
>
> In any case, the reason why {ko'a rokci} is the answer to = {ko'a mo} is because all you're expected to know is {.i ko'a go= i ta rokci .i ko'e goi ta grana}
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at= 2:24 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> well, I see myself as a lojban beginner. I understand your rep= ly, but I will not try to answer in lojban. I get your point to make things= simple for beginners, but I don't really get the rules for this game. = And if the content is pretty pointless, the whole thing seem pretty pointle= ss, even for =E0 beginner as me. Sorry, for thinking too much.
> fa'omi'e jongausib
>
> Den torsdagen den 1:e mars = 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones<eyeonus@gmail.com>:
>> ti xe cilre nunkei .i do du= spei .i ji'a le vi nunkei cu tese zu'edji ro nintadni .i ku'ina= i lo bridi cu tese zu'edji lo sampu
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd &l= t;so.cool.ogi@gm= ail.com> wrote:
>>
>> .i go'e gi'e go'= a .i .ienaidai lo grana jenai rokci ku me ko'a .o ko'e
>>
>> 2012/2/29 Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>>
= >>> to .i ko'a je'a rokci toi
>>>
>>&= gt; .i xu ko'a grana
>>> .i xu ko'e rokci
>>>
>>> On Wed, F= eb 29, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>&= gt;>>
>>>> .i je'a ko'a rokci gi'e me lo rokci .i je'= a ko'e grana gi'e me lo grana .i ku'i ko'a mo ko'e
>>>>
>>>> Den tisdagen den 28:e februari 2012 sk= rev Jonathan Jones<eyeonus@gmail.com>:
>>>> > go'i najenai go&#= 39;e .i ko'a rokci .i ko'a me lo rokci .i ko'e grana .i ko'= e me lo grana
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:24= AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > >>>> > .i ko'a pe lo plini cu cmalu
>>>> > .i ku'i ko'e na'e go'i ni'i ma>>>> >
>>>> > Den tisdagen den 28:e febru= ari 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones<eyeonus@gmail.com>:
>>>> >> .i ko'a mo to ko'a me ma toi .i ko'e = mo to ko'e me ma toi
>>>> >>
>>>> &= gt;> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>
>>>> >> lo se nunkei cu cmen= e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u
>>>> >>
>>= >> >> lo se skicu cu zvati zo'oi.http://lodockikumazvati.org
>>>> >>
>>>> >> .i ko'a mo .i ko= 'e mo
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon,= Feb 27, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> je'e .i o'an= ai.u'i
>>>> >> .i ma te ci'erkei ti .uanai
= >>>> >>
>>>> >> Den m=E5ndagen den 2= 7:e februari 2012 s

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