Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:33580) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4b7Z-0005d5-Kc; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:50:56 -0800 Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12sf5310652wib.16 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCJbznvHdFRDI3dP6BBoEdtcXvQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.156.205 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.156.205; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCJbznvHdFRDI3dP6BBoEdtcXvQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.156.205 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban-beginners+bncCJbznvHdFRDI3dP6BBoEdtcXvQ@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban-beginners+bncCJbznvHdFRDI3dP6BBoEdtcXvQ@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.156.205]) by 10.204.156.205 with SMTP id y13mr6483045bkw.30.1330966241979 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:50:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ILCBsPrCbCbGTcFdPfV3+1C24JjReO807rdbQ/Hl930=; b=kYhWGLmM070bcY82N1OZMTdHydV1y4DJZg4wUbXnDqjNGrPl97g0dGUV1PwwJxpNNg N4v3MbedjFHySovKIOipVTn+mVwqXleT8eUR1IkpeMD+WmUKOhlmY8K/2Zt9X2XzlUEa iIYjMcgQMPPCmtVxprNNi8GsM188pR+8oy3X0= Received: by 10.204.156.205 with SMTP id y13mr1896604bkw.30.1330966216695; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:50:16 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.45.87 with SMTP id d23ls6769893bkf.2.gmail; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr1641070bku.8.1330966215648; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr1641069bku.8.1330966215622; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l17si18488962bkb.1.2012.03.05.08.50.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.42; Received: by lahl5 with SMTP id l5so5351571lah.29 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 10.152.130.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.130.234; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.152.130.234]) by 10.152.130.234 with SMTP id oh10mr21018794lab.35.1330966215288 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.130.234 with SMTP id oh10mr17196315lab.35.1330966215214; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:50:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.36.1 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:49:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <403edab5-64d7-4856-8d16-cabd74672668@i6g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <201203032208.47627.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:49:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: skina fanva To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c5ec777476a04ba81b840 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4538 --f46d042c5ec777476a04ba81b840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable xorxes, you're begging the question, saying "how many centuries" rather "one hundred times how many years". I prefer ctona'a, too, because it's a time unit, whereas na'acto is a number word. stevo 2012/3/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:45 PM, iesk wrote: > > Hmm=85 jbovlaste has both "ctona'a" and "na'acto" for 'century'. I > > remember thinking about that, but I didn't (and still don't) > > understand which one is better (according to the internal logic of > > Lojban, I suppose). > > ctona'a: ko'a nanca lo xecto be ko'e > na'acto: ko'a xecto lo nanca be ko'e > > From a mathematical point of view they are equivalent, x times 100 > years is the same as 100 times x years, but from a semantic point of > view I prefer the former, since we tend to think in terms of how many > centuries rather than in terms of one hundred times how many years. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --f46d042c5ec777476a04ba81b840 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable xorxes, you're begging the question, saying "how many centuries&qu= ot; rather "one hundred times how many years".=A0

<= div>I prefer ctona'a, too, because it's a time unit, whereas na'= ;acto is a number word.=A0

stevo

2012/3/5 Jorge = Llamb=EDas <jj= llambias@gmail.com>
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 12:45 PM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
> Hmm=85 jbovlaste has both "ctona'a" and "na'act= o" for 'century'. I
> remember thinking about that, but I didn't (and still don't) > understand which one is better (according to the internal logic of
> Lojban, I suppose).

ctona'a: ko'a nanca lo xecto be ko'e
na'acto: ko'a xecto lo nanca be ko'e

From a mathematical point of view they are equivalent, x times 100
years is the same as 100 times x years, but from a semantic point of
view I prefer the former, since we tend to think in terms of how many
centuries rather than in terms of one hundred times how many years.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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