Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:34688) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4jZa-0001y5-Oi; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:52:19 -0800 Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12sf5751662wib.16 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCy29X6BBoEpSlokQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.149.90 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.149.90; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCy29X6BBoEpSlokQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.149.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCy29X6BBoEpSlokQ@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCy29X6BBoEpSlokQ@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.149.90]) by 10.204.149.90 with SMTP id s26mr6515089bkv.12.1330998731139 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:52:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=f65JmOZcPy7vB4wLMh6faiXp9QnXb3QCaJX+FUIDxM4=; b=djYjS9iL8yHSG7X32OjyjyvO9pa8Fy2KAk/M8IEnNyJibAlkjE0vaYgpzP8HqKCGSO 1RyriR6B0dBtQz/aj9d5OzMhnlrC3gJ1aInn9Iqm2arXIDOrSCpcLe5msSLEiqlD0mkk SAOMSc7+rLyNJwr5fKAZyd8rHQ3o3IvkhDzH4= Received: by 10.204.149.90 with SMTP id s26mr1925346bkv.12.1330998706566; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:51:46 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.226.131 with SMTP id iw3ls3785bkb.4.gmail; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr1779927bks.0.1330998705520; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr1779926bks.0.1330998705497; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l17si19969026bkb.1.2012.03.05.17.51.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.41; Received: by lagz14 with SMTP id z14so7543474lag.14 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 10.112.101.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.101.194; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.101.194]) by 10.112.101.194 with SMTP id fi2mr10541083lbb.25.1330998705186 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:51:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.101.194 with SMTP id fi2mr8606876lbb.25.1330998705123; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:51:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 18:51:45 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Just having trouble putting a sentence together in general... Think I figured it out From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040169b503f13f04ba894957 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4107 --f46d040169b503f13f04ba894957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, RexScientiarum wrote: > I am a little confused as to how I can make this sentence: > > I use a microscope to look at the microbe. > > > I guess this is the best way to say this: > > .i mi cu zgana lo jurme le cmactatci > That is exactly right, although you don't need cu in that sentence- mi cannot form tanru. > At first I used pilno to say that I would use the microscope more like > I had originally envisioned the sentence in English but then I > couldn't figure out I could use that to say I 'used' the microscope to > 'look' at the microbe. There aren't enough sumti x spaces for that or > any direct way to relate that x1(I) am using x2(microscope) in manner > x3(to look at)....... a microbe..... right? > If you really want to use pilno as your selbri: pilno: x1 uses/employs x2 for purpose x3. The x3 of pilno is what the x2 is being used by x1 for. This is usually an event, such as the event of looking at microbes. I use a-microscope for-purpose an-event-of observing a-microbe mi pilno lo cmactatci lonu zgana lo jurme -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, RexScientiarum <= span dir=3D"ltr"><amt2839@gmail.com= > wrote:
I am a little confused as to how I can make this sentence:

I use a microscope to look at the microbe.


I guess this is the best way to say this:

.i mi cu zgana lo jurme le cmactatci

That is exact= ly right, although you don't need cu in that sentence- mi cannot form t= anru.
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At first I used pilno to say that I would use the microscope more like
I had originally envisioned the sentence in English but then I
couldn't figure out I could use that to say I 'used' the micros= cope to
'look' at the microbe. =A0There aren't enough sumti x spaces fo= r that or
any direct way to relate that x1(I) am using x2(microscope) in manner
x3(to look at)....... a microbe..... right?

If you really want to use pilno as your selbr= i:

pilno: x1 uses/employs x2 for purpose x3.
The x3 of pilno is what the x2 is being used by x1 for. This i= s usually an event, such as the event of looking at microbes.

I use a-microscope for-purpose an-event-of observing a-microbe
mi pilno lo cmactatci lonu zgana lo jurme

--
mu= 9;o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i= doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your fa= ther. :D )

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