Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:57825) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4leu-00036D-1f; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:06:02 -0800 Received: by pbcwz17 with SMTP id wz17sf3354485pbc.16 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:05:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=L7gfR1BmVXVwL5Ol6KULsSVUsKjZeTmo6iD8oP+6wSI=; b=NrSVzc5RX4uur3HNx6MxBBmVVjXpWEsu5kT5ZVXUCa4VW9qIMah3TuAgafxavADAMK lp5keOAvePe/UpHuCTIClWzFyA1cDPSjLdt/VAOXwZHLRCIsTmL/ik0EC0Yz9sA+1bsD /9IIHb4LnR9/rE6IQQRZpqgoHnTBc6JG1D0JY= Received: by 10.50.180.225 with SMTP id dr1mr3214189igc.6.1331005970508; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:52:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.114.3 with SMTP id jc3ls112236igb.0.gmail; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.140.6 with SMTP id rc6mr5684433igb.3.1331005969111; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.140.6 with SMTP id rc6mr5684432igb.3.1331005969103; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id md3si1424829igc.1.2012.03.05.19.52.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.182; Received: by obbwc7 with SMTP id wc7so7330660obb.13 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 10.182.86.201 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.86.201; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.182.86.201]) by 10.182.86.201 with SMTP id r9mr9499815obz.8.1331005968852 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.86.201 with SMTP id r9mr8341981obz.8.1331005968798; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:52:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.58.229 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 19:52:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201203052204.54233.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <53e56d0b-83b4-4575-80d8-c1e8a8708d15@q11g2000vbu.googlegroups.com> <201203052204.54233.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: ".arpis." Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 22:52:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Just having trouble putting a sentence together in general... Think I figured it out To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1939 I haven't heard of a good consensus of when to use {le}. My impression is that {lo} should be the default unless you have reason stronger than specificity. *ba'e* {le} is not "the". I personally only use it when I want to emphasize the fact that the sumti may not technically fit the selbri, mu'i {le cribe} to refer to a teddy-bear; unlike pre-xorlo, however, {lo cribe} is unquestionably still correct in that case. I guess I might also use it to clarify/emphasize subjectivity: {lo xagrai cmaxi'a} might not have a clear referent, but if I say {le xagrai cmaxi'a}, I'm clearly talking about Rainbow Dash. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday, March 05, 2012 21:49:33 RexScientiarum wrote: >> If I was was talking about a specific microbe I was =A0observing I could >> use {le} right? > > Yes, and likewise if you're using a specific microscope. Use of articles = in > Lojban is somewhat different from use of articles in English (or French o= r any > other language that has articles). > > Pierre > -- > .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do > .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga > .icu'u la ma'atman. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. 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