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Again, we come to the issue of {cu}.  My understanding is that it is still 
correct to use it as I did, just not necessary.  I don't care if I am being 
wordy at this point, I am more concerned with being flat out wrong.

Would it be 'necessary' to use {cu} if  there was something there that 
could be confused as a tanru (I mean assuming I didn't want to restructure 
the whole sentence)?

On Monday, March 5, 2012 7:51:45 PM UTC-6, aionys wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, RexScientiarum wrote:
>
>> I am a little confused as to how I can make this sentence:
>>
>> I use a microscope to look at the microbe.
>>
>>
>> I guess this is the best way to say this:
>>
>> .i mi cu zgana lo jurme le cmactatci
>>
>
> That is exactly right, although you don't need cu in that sentence- mi 
> cannot form tanru.
>  
>
>> At first I used pilno to say that I would use the microscope more like
>> I had originally envisioned the sentence in English but then I
>> couldn't figure out I could use that to say I 'used' the microscope to
>> 'look' at the microbe.  There aren't enough sumti x spaces for that or
>> any direct way to relate that x1(I) am using x2(microscope) in manner
>> x3(to look at)....... a microbe..... right?
>>
>
> If you really want to use pilno as your selbri:
>
> pilno: x1 uses/employs x2 for purpose x3.
> The x3 of pilno is what the x2 is being used by x1 for. This is usually an 
> event, such as the event of looking at microbes.
>
> I use a-microscope for-purpose an-event-of observing a-microbe
> mi pilno lo cmactatci lonu zgana lo jurme
>
> -- 
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
>

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Again, we come to the issue of {cu}. &nbsp;My understanding is that it is s=
till correct to use it as I did, just not&nbsp;necessary. &nbsp;I don't car=
e if I am being wordy at this point, I am more concerned with being flat ou=
t wrong.<div><br><div>Would it be 'necessary' to use {cu} if &nbsp;there wa=
s something there that could be confused as a tanru (I mean assuming I didn=
't want to restructure the whole sentence)?<br><br>On Monday, March 5, 2012=
 7:51:45 PM UTC-6, aionys wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;=
"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, RexScientiarum=
&nbsp;wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I am a little confused as to how I can make this sentence:<br>
<br>
I use a microscope to look at the microbe.<br>
<br>
<br>
I guess this is the best way to say this:<br>
<br>
.i mi cu zgana lo jurme le cmactatci<br></blockquote><div><br>That is exact=
ly right, although you don't need cu in that sentence- mi cannot form tanru=
.<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt =
0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">


At first I used pilno to say that I would use the microscope more like<br>
I had originally envisioned the sentence in English but then I<br>
couldn't figure out I could use that to say I 'used' the microscope to<br>
'look' at the microbe. &nbsp;There aren't enough sumti x spaces for that or=
<br>
any direct way to relate that x1(I) am using x2(microscope) in manner<br>
x3(to look at)....... a microbe..... right?<font color=3D"#888888"><br>
</font></blockquote></div><br>If you really want to use pilno as your selbr=
i:<br><br>pilno: x<sub>1</sub> uses/employs x<sub>2</sub> for purpose x<sub=
>3</sub>.<br>The x3 of pilno is what the x2 is being used by x1 for. This i=
s usually an event, such as the event of looking at microbes.<br>

<br>
I use a-microscope for-purpose an-event-of observing a-microbe<br>
mi pilno lo cmactatci lonu zgana lo jurme<br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu'o =
mi'e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi=
 patfu do zo'o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div>

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