Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:50790) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4zfU-00035I-LO; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:03:32 -0800 Received: by ghbf14 with SMTP id f14sf5815578ghb.16 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMLaiI6rCBDhvtn6BBoE0iURgA@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.28.33 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.28.33; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMLaiI6rCBDhvtn6BBoE0iURgA@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.28.33 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban-beginners+bncCMLaiI6rCBDhvtn6BBoE0iURgA@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban-beginners+bncCMLaiI6rCBDhvtn6BBoE0iURgA@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.28.33]) by 10.52.28.33 with SMTP id y1mr5444080vdg.1.1331060602078 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:03:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ayanMqynNWr8cqwz+s5+mirJ+78u/7wiVThRodYjEr0=; b=vu0U8bAQuT6ACf9DMH6zj2dtJUpv1kc9kDV0vHgu6h3D0DCPSLZ9JN6HCrPbwt6JqW bqBOQFDYR/DTqyRElOPiyE5Xr8B6lreDqCRkSzvpSCtEps09X1xVfSj1I+yq24Mb99TU JhUFL2nJRJT/af5zqz6Q/btqo+wW6Lcgt5UV8= Received: by 10.52.28.33 with SMTP id y1mr1630543vdg.1.1331060577537; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:02:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.166.66 with SMTP id ze2ls1080131vdb.4.gmail; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:02:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.22.3 with SMTP id z3mr4458239vde.2.1331060577035; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by gw9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 11:02:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 11:02:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6402756.125.1331054676496.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbck9> References: <8358321.246.1328165870332.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prge35> <6402756.125.1331054676496.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbck9> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/17.0.963.65 Safari/535.11,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <0b52e6c6-0839-4970-af9f-e84f4294ca19@gw9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmavo for completing action From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1433 I think it's something different. Some relations are properties (like crino) and other things, some are connected to events, and events are (according to Lojban abstractors) divided to processes (proceding in stages), activities, states (of something being continouously true) and achievements (event-as-a-point). I see kavbu as primarily "achievement", so {mo'u} is not quite right, rather {co'i}. In my opinion, I mean, and I'm probably totally wrong! [http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1650] mu'o mi'e ianek On 6 Mar, 18:24, gleki wrote: > The question seems more global to me now. > pu se kavbu cipni - is it a bird caught in past or a bird that was in the > process of being captured (but we never now whether we succeeded). > > Is it somewhere defined whether some gismu have "mo'u" meaning by default ? > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 2, 2012 10:57:50 AM UTC+4, gleki wrote: > > > I wonder how to say "I successfully completed assembling a device". > > za'o and ba'o just don't say anything about completing the action. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.