Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:61768) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S32TL-0002mc-C4; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:38:57 -0800 Received: by fabs1 with SMTP id s1sf519189fab.16 for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCKh736BBoE5w8TAg@googlegroups.com designates 10.205.136.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.205.136.196; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCKh736BBoE5w8TAg@googlegroups.com designates 10.205.136.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCKh736BBoE5w8TAg@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhCKh736BBoE5w8TAg@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.205.136.196]) by 10.205.136.196 with SMTP id il4mr1597288bkc.9.1330594723612 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:38:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Sg6mzIZg1xbIT3KAuBX32dxwx2cGsGIUNeTfwLMb6TY=; b=5uaJJ2+3RkIyf+i+dhEuMFg5TA6TWH6kQHSA7zlXoIbeSxOO4gRVxXiD5Jj4Jgr8mD fJvPpNSJWHx4uP6Vz5FSeZSappIkorfPue52hBpXT8Q95Qww8OHqM/Od5mh32OU2QAml Ezlp79/2WL9tM6s0YKFpFMXqfkwC61r1EXINw= Received: by 10.205.136.196 with SMTP id il4mr459038bkc.9.1330594698213; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:38:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.45.87 with SMTP id d23ls1750372bkf.2.gmail; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr337726bku.8.1330594697203; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr337725bku.8.1330594697174; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba12si1655637bkb.2.2012.03.01.01.38.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.54; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com with SMTP id v3so586513lag.41 for ; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 10.112.101.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.101.194; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.101.194]) by 10.112.101.194 with SMTP id fi2mr1988282lbb.25.1330594697036 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:38:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.101.194 with SMTP id fi2mr1616049lbb.25.1330594696864; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:38:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 01:38:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 02:38:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] mi'a .e ko.e'u se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040169b53f23e004ba2b3812 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 12853 --f46d040169b53f23e004ba2b3812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I said, the game is a learning one. Specifically, this game is designed to teach someone a new language from nothing, learning words, grammar, etc. by playing the game. Basically, your answers were overly complicated. There's no rule that says you can't use stuff that hasn't been introduced, but I'm betting that's because it's not expected for the players to know anything that hasn't. In any case, the reason why {ko'a rokci} is the answer to {ko'a mo} is because all you're expected to know is {.i ko'a goi ta rokci .i ko'e goi ta grana} On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd wr= ote: > well, I see myself as a lojban beginner. I understand your reply, but I > will not try to answer in lojban. I get your point to make things simple > for beginners, but I don't really get the rules for this game. And if the > content is pretty pointless, the whole thing seem pretty pointless, even > for =E0 beginner as me. Sorry, for thinking too much. > fa'omi'e jongausib > > Den torsdagen den 1:e mars 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones: > > > ti xe cilre nunkei .i do duspei .i ji'a le vi nunkei cu tese zu'edji ro > nintadni .i ku'inai lo bridi cu tese zu'edji lo sampu > > > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd > wrote: > > > > .i go'e gi'e go'a .i .ienaidai lo grana jenai rokci ku me ko'a .o ko'e > > > > 2012/2/29 Jonathan Jones > >> > >> to .i ko'a je'a rokci toi > >> > >> .i xu ko'a grana > >> .i xu ko'e rokci > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd > wrote: > >>> > >>> .i je'a ko'a rokci gi'e me lo rokci .i je'a ko'e grana gi'e me lo > grana .i ku'i ko'a mo ko'e > >>> > >>> Den tisdagen den 28:e februari 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones< > eyeonus@gmail.com>: > >>> > go'i najenai go'e .i ko'a rokci .i ko'a me lo rokci .i ko'e grana .= i > ko'e me lo grana > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < > so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > .i ko'a pe lo plini cu cmalu > >>> > .i ku'i ko'e na'e go'i ni'i ma > >>> > > >>> > Den tisdagen den 28:e februari 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones< > eyeonus@gmail.com>: > >>> >> .i ko'a mo to ko'a me ma toi .i ko'e mo to ko'e me ma toi > >>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> lo se nunkei cu cmene lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u > >>> >> > >>> >> lo se skicu cu zvati zo'oi.http://lodockikumazvati.org > >>> >> > >>> >> .i ko'a mo .i ko'e mo > >>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < > so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> je'e .i o'anai.u'i > >>> >> .i ma te ci'erkei ti .uanai > >>> >> > >>> >> Den m=E5ndagen den 27:e februari 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones< > eyeonus@gmail.com>: > >>> >>> lo'u le mi ko'e le'u na gendra .i.e'u ko cusku la'ede'u bau lo > glibau > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd < > so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> lo pagbu be lu'o ko'e si ko'a goi le rokci poi se pixra > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> 2012/2/27 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On 27 February 2012 08:51, Sebastian Fr=F6jd > wrote: > >>> >>>> .i ko'a se zbasu zi'o lo plini pagbu > >>> >>>> .i o'a le mi ko'e cu vasru lo pagbu be lu'o ko'e > >>> >>>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> ki'a .i ma vasru > >>> >>> > >>> >>>> Ok, and then what? > >>> >>>> mu'omi'e jongausib > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Den m=E5ndagen den 27:e februari 2012 skrev Jonathan Jones< > eyeonus@gmail.com>: > >>> >>>>> .i ko'a goi ta > >>> >>>>> rokci< > http://outdoordesignbylucas.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/1-10-11-charcter-= rocks.jpg > > > >>> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --f46d040169b53f23e004ba2b3812 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I said, the game is a learning one. Specifically, this game is designed = to teach someone a new language from nothing, learning words, grammar, etc.= by playing the game.

Basically, your answers were overly complicate= d. There's no rule that says you can't use stuff that hasn't be= en introduced, but I'm betting that's because it's not expected= for the players to know anything that hasn't.

In any case, the reason why {ko'a rokci} is the answer to {ko'a= mo} is because all you're expected to know is {.i ko'a goi ta rokc= i .i ko'e goi ta grana}

On Thu, Mar 1= , 2012 at 2:24 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
well, I see myself as a lojban beginner. I u= nderstand your reply, but I will not try to answer in lojban. I get your po= int to make things simple for beginners, but I don't really get the rul= es for this game. And if the content is pretty pointless, the whole thing s= eem pretty pointless, even for =E0 beginner as me. Sorry, for thinking too = much.
fa'omi'e jongausib

Den torsdagen den 1:e mars 2012 skrev Jon= athan Jones<eyeon= us@gmail.com>:

> ti xe cilre= nunkei .i do duspei .i ji'a le vi nunkei cu tese zu'edji ro nintad= ni .i ku'inai lo bridi cu tese zu'edji lo sampu
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
>
> .i go'e gi'e go'a .i .ienaidai l= o grana jenai rokci ku me ko'a .o ko'e
>
> 2012/2/29 Jonathan Jones <
eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>
>> to = .i ko'a je'a rokci toi
>>
>> .i xu ko'a grana=
>> .i xu ko'e rokci
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <= ;so.cool.ogi@gma= il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> .i je'a ko'a = rokci gi'e me lo rokci .i je'a ko'e grana gi'e me lo grana = .i ku'i ko'a mo ko'e
>>>
>>> Den tisdagen den 28:e februari 2012 skrev Jona= than Jones<eyeonu= s@gmail.com>:
>>> > go'i najenai go'e .i ko&#= 39;a rokci .i ko'a me lo rokci .i ko'e grana .i ko'e me lo gran= a
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Seb= astian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>>= ; > .i ko'a pe lo plini cu cmalu
>>> > .i ku'i ko'e na'e go'i ni'i ma
>= ;>> >
>>> > Den tisdagen den 28:e februari 2012 skr= ev Jonathan Jones<eyeonus@gmail.com>:
>>> >> .i ko'a mo to ko'a me ma toi .i ko'e mo t= o ko'e me ma toi
>>> >>
>>> >> On M= on, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> lo se nunkei cu cmene lu lo = do ckiku ma zvati li'u
>>> >>
>>> >>= ; lo se skicu cu zvati zo'oi.http://lodockikumazvati.org
>>> >>
>>> >> .i ko'a mo .i ko'e m= o
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at= 2:08 PM, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> je'e .i o'anai.u'= ;i
>>> >> .i ma te ci'erkei ti .uanai
>>>= >>
>>> >> Den m=E5ndagen den 27:e februari 2012 sk= rev Jonathan Jones<eyeonus@gmail.com>:
>>> >>> lo'u le mi ko'e le'u na gendra .i.e&#= 39;u ko cusku la'ede'u bau lo glibau
>>> >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Sebastian Fr= =F6jd <so.coo= l.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> lo pagbu be lu'o= ko'e si ko'a goi le rokci poi se pixra
>>> >>>= ;
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2012/2/27 Felip= e Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 27 February 2012 = 08:51, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>&= gt;> .i ko'a se zbasu zi'o lo plini pagbu
>>> >>>> .i o'a le mi ko'e cu vasru lo pagbu b= e lu'o ko'e
>>> >>>>
>>> >&g= t;>
>>> >>> ki'a .i ma vasru
>>> &g= t;>>
>>> >>>> Ok, and then what?
>>> >>&g= t;> mu'omi'e jongausib
>>> >>>>
>&= gt;> >>>> Den m=E5ndagen den 27:e februari 2012 skrev Jonath= an Jones<eyeonus@= gmail.com>:
>>> >>>>> .i ko'a goi ta
>>> >&g= t;>>> rokci<http://outdoo= rdesignbylucas.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/1-10-11-charcter-rocks.jpg&g= t;
>>> >>

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