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But you're right, aionys.

On 6 March 2012 18:36, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 06, 2012 14:26:16 Jonathan Jones wrote:
>> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Janek <j-sz@o2.pl> wrote:
>> > > On 6 March 2012 02:38, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > abu: mi nelci ti
>> > > > by: ji'a go'i
>> > >
>> > > {go'ira'o}, not {go'i}
>> >
>> > No. It's just go'i.
>> >
>> > The expansion on the above is not
>> >
>> > abu: mi nelci ti
>> > by: ji'a do nelci ti
>> >
>> > It is
>> >
>> > abu: mi nelci ti
>> > by: ji'a mi nelci ti
>>
>> Since "mi" is not explicit in the sentence with "go'i", it still refers =
to
>> A.
>> With "ra'o", the implicit "mi" would refer to B.
>>
>> If A pointed to something close to A but far from B and said "mi nelci
>> ti",
>> and B said "ji'a go'i ra'o", would B be stating that he likes something
>> close
>> to B and far from A?
>>
>> > ra'o is needed to distinguish between
>> >
>> > A: mi lumci le mi karce
>> > B: mi go'i
>> >
>> > A: I wash my car.
>> > B: I wash A=92s car.
>>
>> "go'i" with no subject would mean "A washes A's car".
>
>
> My mistake. I was under the impression that go'i kept the referents the
> same, such that
>
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: go'i
>
> means
>
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: mi klama lo zarci
>
> not
>
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: do klama lo zarci
>
> whereas ra'o causes the sumti to be re-evaluated from the speaker's
> perspective, such that
>
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: go'ira'o
>
> means
>
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: do klama lo zarci
>
> not
>
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: mi klama lo zarci
>
>>
>> > and
>> >
>> > A: mi lumci le mi karce
>> > B: mi go'i ra'o
>> >
>> > A: I wash my car.
>> > B: I wash B=92s car.
>>
>> --
>> lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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