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On Tuesday, March 06, 2012 16:36:21 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> > > ra'o is needed to distinguish between
> > >=20
> > > A: mi lumci le mi karce
> > > B: mi go'i
> > >=20
> > > A: I wash my car.
> > > B: I wash A=92s car.
> >=20
> > "go'i" with no subject would mean "A washes A's car".
>=20
> My mistake. I was under the impression that go'i kept the referents the
> same, such that
>=20
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: go'i
>=20
> means
>=20
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: mi klama lo zarci
>=20
> not
>=20
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: do klama lo zarci
>=20
> whereas ra'o causes the sumti to be re-evaluated from the speaker's
> perspective, such that
>=20
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: go'ira'o
>=20
> means
>=20
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: do klama lo zarci
>=20
> not
>=20
> abu: xu do klama lo zarci
> by: mi klama lo zarci

"go'i" without "ra'o" does keep the referents the same, of whatever pronoun=
s=20
are carried over from the referent of "go'i". I don't see what mistake you=
=20
think you made. If B explicitly says "mi", the referent of "mi" is B, but i=
f=20
"mi" is carried over from the referent of "go'i" when A said it, the refere=
nt=20
of "mi" is A. "go'i ra'o" updates the referents of the pronouns that are=20
carried over.

Pierre
--=20
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji

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