Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:49588) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S5IfF-0005lv-Lk; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:20:34 -0800 Received: by ggmi2 with SMTP id i2sf6851018ggm.16 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:20:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jy4T6arzxPATmtHqY7HWoZM31TKhUnky9TQRhHFly3k=; b=NfBgykuy/WMKoU8hRyugLiHzDQ1SJEDr8JDZTlzt1dN4PRopuTBcoGYcqfKqBVczRd 680zvwH3hK/nlwCJMVif6DmmX/G4Q+BEK8sDOkKjR5Ro+NCxDTAY9i7+dXFZkJQKCP+Y 5stW2O0U6oPMo/8oHDYqslSSfFWx/D9GuQOnA= Received: by 10.68.244.97 with SMTP id xf1mr740120pbc.17.1331133037475; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:10:37 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.74.5 with SMTP id p5ls5621232pbv.7.gmail; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.220.229 with SMTP id pz5mr2376278pbc.5.1331133036972; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.220.229 with SMTP id pz5mr2376275pbc.5.1331133036960; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com (mail-pw0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si2012402pbq.0.2012.03.07.07.10.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.45; Received: by mail-pw0-f45.google.com with SMTP id uo5so674343pbc.18 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:10:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.74.74 with SMTP id r10mr4146166pbv.83.1331133036845; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.189.133 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 07:10:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <8929c895-6264-4ae8-b9ff-1d3b3094d404@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <201203040828.29096.phma@phma.optus.nu> <979cda85-1352-4c77-8d2a-de697d68b7af@v2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:10:36 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Let's do something like this for Lojban! 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On 7 March 2012 03:08, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Felipe Gonçalves Assis > wrote: >> >> On 6 March 2012 19:32, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > to minimize confusion, >> > all the uses of tV that referred to a location are now vVku. >> > >> >> {viku} is not a sumti, so that is not a genuine substitution. > > Right then. In that case, I'm going back to the way I had it, because I > find the idea of readers confusing something which is not a sumti with > something that is entirely unacceptable, and I am also unwilling to risk the > confusion caused by referring to both places and things with tV. (Panel 12 > would be {tu zvati tu}, for example.) > [...] Content analysis details: (2.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (felipeg.assis[at]gmail.com) -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.161.189 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FUZZY_CPILL BODY: Attempt to obfuscate words in spam 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 1.3 DRUGS_ERECTILE_OBFU Obfuscated reference to an erectile drug 2.2 DRUGS_ERECTILE Refers to an erectile drug 0.0 T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL To: misformatted and free email service Content-Length: 2147 On 7 March 2012 03:08, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis > wrote: >> >> On 6 March 2012 19:32, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > to minimize confusion, >> > all the uses of tV that referred to a location are now vVku. >> > >> >> {viku} is not a sumti, so that is not a genuine substitution. > > Right then. In that case,=A0 I'm going back to the way I had it, because = I > find the idea of readers confusing something which is not a sumti with > something that is entirely unacceptable, and I am also unwilling to risk = the > confusion caused by referring to both places and things with tV. (Panel 1= 2 > would be {tu zvati tu}, for example.) > As previously commented, from panels 10, 11 and the circles it is clear tha= t clalis is pointing at places. Panel 12 could be {lo prenu cu zvati tu}. It is really up to you, though. >> >> > 72. mi nanca li civo .ije lo mi nakspe goi la.sam. nanca li cixa .i lo >> > go'i >> > cu zmadu mi lo se nanca li re .i lo mi'a tixnu cu zmadu lo mi'a bersa = lo >> > se >> > nanca li vo >> > >> >> zmadu3 is a dimension, so it should be {lo ka ce'u nanca makau kei}. >> Since this is the last utterance, and it appears to be decipherable, >> you might want to play with the reader and leave it like that. A more >> friendly alternative is to use a tanru like {nanca zmadu}, as in 56. > > > z3 is not a dimension. It is a property or quantity. lo se nanca is a > quantity. > z4 is a quantity and a {se nanca}. z3 is a quantity that is a function of something. Otherwise, what could be an answer to the following questions? {la .sam. zmadu la .clalis. li xo} {la .sam. zmadu la .clalis. lo se nanca be ma} mu'o mi'e .asiz. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.