Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:35862) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S5u72-0007z3-64; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:19:44 -0800 Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3sf1231523yen.16 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:19:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=maJhuwRIGHHtgyjMVG5FQkY0Mpe45bRb5JcFgkGiD1w=; b=b67tCpDxjPgiD2TPCkfcMjcF6BHax1MHxpfEr1bc4eLZvTpNjqC2GimY41De76Wkaz 701MC3PdzPhiFvCeWBV9VNkszElHPi8SOzHwO0Ro8kYilq2xEfJcvxptkkTkAb+Ep9YV cXJJjofJGeoUp7f+aUpNFywLRL93nsHCZ/WXE= Received: by 10.52.100.167 with SMTP id ez7mr114675vdb.13.1331277549177; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:19:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.30.131 with SMTP id u3ls4453700vcc.3.gmail; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.72.72 with SMTP id b8mr109930vdv.19.1331277548140; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:19:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:19:07 -0800 (PST) From: gleki To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <32656581.370.1331277547632.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbed8> In-Reply-To: References: <13108417.226.1331267756499.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbkc1> <17799116.250.1331273610516.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbai14> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] {me ko'a} instead of {broda} ? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_369_11357783.1331277547630" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 9928 ------=_Part_369_11357783.1331277547630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 OK. So imagine that one restaurant is a fish restaurant. Another one is a pancake restaurant. A fish one. A pancake one. How do I refer do them in the following text ? Obviously English word "one" should correspond to {broda} or {ko'a}. How do I achieve this ? On Friday, March 9, 2012 10:32:21 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > You want the term ko'e to refer to the two restaurants collectively, you > want {ko'e goi re gusta}, or {ko'e goi re le gusta} if you want to explicit > about specificity. > > If you want to refer to them individually, I don't think that's possible > with only one term. > > What you have means the pretty much same thing as what I wrote, although > your ko'e assignment is different and your bridi is obviously much more > complicated: > ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta > ko'a owns two of something that is amongst (ko'e = one or more things that > actually is a restaraunt). > Ko'a owns two things that are ko'e, where ko'e is "one or more restaraunts" > > ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta > ko'a owns (ko'e = two restaraunts). > ko'a owns ko'e, where ko'e is "two restaraunts" > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:13 PM, gleki wrote: > >> No ! What you suggest is that {ko'e} is two restaurants. But I need >> {ko'e} to be each of the restaurants ! >> >> >> On Friday, March 9, 2012 9:18:50 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>> >>> I would go with {ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta}. It seems to me you're >>> overthinking it a tad. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:35 PM, gleki wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder how to express the phrase "he is the owner of two cafes" using >>>> {ko'a} ("he") and {ko'e} (each of the cafes) >>>> >>>> {ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta} ? >>>> >>>> {broda} series won't work if in the following text each of the cafes is >>>> described. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>>> msg/lojban-beginners/-/**kszrSxLem-wJ >>>> . >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.** >>>> com . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/QdVUwPSUNJkJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/pxN0SfjwtLMJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_369_11357783.1331277547630 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK. So imagine that one restaurant is a fish restaurant. Another one is a p= ancake restaurant.

A fish one.
A pancake one.<= /div>

How do I refer do them in the following text = ?

Obviously English word "one" should correspo= nd to {broda} or {ko'a}. How do I achieve this ?

On Friday, March 9,= 2012 10:32:21 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
You want the term ko'e to refer to the two restaurants collectively= , you want {ko'e goi re gusta}, or {ko'e goi re le gusta} if you want to ex= plicit about specificity.

If you want to refer to them individually,= I don't think that's possible with only one term.

What you have means the pretty much same thing as what I wrote, althoug= h your ko'e assignment is different and your bridi is obviously much more c= omplicated:
ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta
ko'a owns two of so= mething that is amongst (ko'e =3D one or more things that actually is a res= taraunt).
Ko'a owns two things that are ko'e, where ko'e is "one or more restaraunts"=

ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta
ko'a owns (ko'e =3D two restaraunts= ).
ko'a owns ko'e, where ko'e is "two restaraunts"

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:13 PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
No ! What you suggest is that {ko'e} is two restaurants. But I need {ko'e} = to be each of the restaurants !


On Friday, Marc= h 9, 2012 9:18:50 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
I would go with {ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta}. It seems to me you're overt= hinking it a tad.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at = 9:35 PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
I wonder how to express the phrase "he is th= e owner of two cafes" using {ko'a} ("he") and {ko'e} (each of the cafes)
{ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta} ?

{broda} series won't work if in the following text each of the cafes= is described.

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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do z= o'o
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mu'o mi'e .= aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu= do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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