Received: from mail-tul01m020-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:43441) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S5uVr-00084l-2o; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:45:23 -0800 Received: by obbuo6 with SMTP id uo6sf1313988obb.16 for ; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:45:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mBYCvAiE3vzG31ohmuJWXim4zNlKxrhIK1xVuCP2pYs=; b=YkZbdpENja7ipejOUZRjJXCl28zF3580hdZnjnvDC8K1M7FkhyuIaD6KRY8M+WWT/f kyJWSNYXa/upF75ggTWjLmssQIz/EzUrnL2NHtJm8noHijsQ7HI7/rJUPz7rSyvB5z8d hy+5O6+L8TDBcGWl3Bc128HfF6VOXdBpDi31g= Received: by 10.52.100.167 with SMTP id ez7mr126379vdb.13.1331279088010; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:44:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.221.11.200 with SMTP id pf8ls4514183vcb.0.gmail; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:44:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.180.102 with SMTP id dn6mr128006vdc.6.1331279087475; Thu, 08 Mar 2012 23:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by hs8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:44:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:44:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <32656581.370.1331277547632.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbed8> References: <13108417.226.1331267756499.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbkc1> <17799116.250.1331273610516.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbai14> <32656581.370.1331277547632.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbed8> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/17.0.963.66 Safari/535.11,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <8a2952e5-0623-4c2d-a0db-b4ca79535d07@hs8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: {me ko'a} instead of {broda} ? From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4156 Maybe {lo finpe me ko'e}? {me} clauses can be used in tanru. And {ko'e} may be defined as aionys suggested. mu'o mi'e ianek On 9 Mar, 08:19, gleki wrote: > OK. So imagine that one restaurant is a fish restaurant. Another one is a > pancake restaurant. > > A fish one. > A pancake one. > > How do I refer do them in the following text ? > > Obviously English word "one" should correspond to {broda} or {ko'a}. How = do > I achieve this ? > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 9, 2012 10:32:21 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > > You want the term ko'e to refer to the two restaurants collectively, yo= u > > want {ko'e goi re gusta}, or {ko'e goi re le gusta} if you want to expl= icit > > about specificity. > > > If you want to refer to them individually, I don't think that's possibl= e > > with only one term. > > > What you have means the pretty much same thing as what I wrote, althoug= h > > your ko'e assignment is different and your bridi is obviously much more > > complicated: > > ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta > > ko'a owns two of something that is amongst (ko'e =3D one or more things= that > > actually is a restaraunt). > > Ko'a owns two things that are ko'e, where ko'e is "one or more restarau= nts" > > > ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta > > ko'a owns (ko'e =3D two restaraunts). > > ko'a owns ko'e, where ko'e is "two restaraunts" > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:13 PM, gleki wro= te: > > >> No ! What you suggest is that {ko'e} is two restaurants. But I need > >> {ko'e} to be each of the restaurants ! > > >> On Friday, March 9, 2012 9:18:50 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > >>> I would go with {ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta}. It seems to me you're > >>> overthinking it a tad. > > >>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:35 PM, gleki wro= te: > > >>>> I wonder how to express the phrase "he is the owner of two cafes" us= ing > >>>> {ko'a} ("he") and {ko'e} (each of the cafes) > > >>>> {ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta} ? > > >>>> {broda} series won't work if in the following text each of the cafes= is > >>>> described. > > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>> To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/= ** > >>>> msg/lojban-beginners/-/**kszrSxLem-wJ > >>>> . > >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.*= * > >>>> com . > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com > >>>> . > >>>> For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/** > >>>> group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den > >>>> . > > >>> -- > >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > >>> =A0-- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/QdVUwPSUNJkJ. > > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. 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