On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:41 AM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com>= wrote:

Sorry for quoting and not linking: http://www.loj= ban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+gadri

As for "How to use xorlo", I understand it differently:

=A0 - lo with an outer quantifier, which is exactly the same thing as

just
=A0 sticking a number before an item (i.e. "mu lo bakni" =3D=3D = "mu bakni"
=3D=3D "five
=A0 cows), works pretty much as before: "five things that really are<= br> cows".

=A0 - lo's inner quantifier indicates the number of things we= 9;re
talking
=A0 about....

When we have both outer and inner quantifier, eg. {re lo mu bakni}, it
tells that we're talking about five cows, ie. the universe of disourse<= br> contains five cows, but the number of cows we're stating something
about is two. And also, I think that this quoted text is not quite
clear.

Agreed. I've been double-checking my pr= evious statement. Part of that involved determining when xorlo was accepted= by the BPFK vs. when those definitions you quoted were written (as it was = possible the definitions were for pre-xorlo lo). From what that text says, = my statement is at least a likely interpretation, if not as is my opinion, = the most likely. It is also wrong, as can be seen by the definitions, which= I have determined are not pre-xorlo. So, yes, it should be {pa lo re ...} = not {re lo pa ...}. I'll determine a better wording for what I quoted a= nd update the page accordingly, so that we can prevent future jbopre from r= epeating my mistake.
=A0

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 9 Mar, 10:29, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It can also be deduced from "BPFK Section: gadri".
>
> We have definitions:
> lo [PA] broda =A0 =A0zo'e noi ke'a broda [gi'e zilkancu li= PA lo broda]
> PA [sumti] =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 PA da poi ke'a me [sumti] >
> So, {pa lo re gusta} translates to {pa da poi ke'a me zo'e noi= ke'a
> gusta gi'e zilkancu li re lo gusta}
> ie.
> "one (quantified) thing which is one of something, which is
> restaurant(s) and consists of two counting by units of restaurants&quo= t; or
> something like that, or if you'd like it put more simply: "Ne= ver
> imagine yourself..." err sorry, "one of two restaurants"= ;.
>
> mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> On 9 Mar, 10:12, Lindar <lindartheb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
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> > > re gusta =3D re lo gusta =3D "two things which actually= are restaurants" =3D
> > > "two restaurants".
> > > re lo pa gusta =3D "one of two things (blah blah)"= =3D "one of two
> > > restaurants".
> > > lo re gusta =3D "two of one or more things (blah blah)&= quot; =3D "two of X
> > > restaurants", where X is an unstated number.
>
> > You have this backward. One of two restaurants is {pa lo re gusta= }.
> > Source: genrei

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