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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Checking my intuition: translating "Why am
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At the time I wrote that, I was tired enough to think that {mu'i} was
right. Silly me. Yes, {ri'a} is what I meant.

I would read {paunai ri'a ma mi mutce tatpi} as "Why am I very tired?"

My initial thought was (correcting for the causal) {ri'a ma paunai ni
mi tatpi kei fa li so'e} - "Why is the degree to which I'm tired high
[on the obvious scale]?"
I thought to leave the first place empty and let pragmatics indicate
that there was something unusual about the degree to which I was tired
(or else I wouldn't be asking the rhetorical question). Now that I
think about it, it could equally well mean "Why am I so not-tired?"

My justification for using {ni} as opposed to {mutce} is to call
attention to the degree of my tiredness as unusual. I know why I'm
very tired: I only got 5 hours of sleep. What I don't know is why I
feel more tired today than on other days when I've gotten 5 hours of
sleep.

ki'e

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:36 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think {mu'i} is the correct choice here, you're not tired
> because something motivates you (or are you?). I would use {ri'a},
> because tiredness is your physical reaction.
> And {ni} is not quite right pe'i. You're saying "Why [something] is a
> quantity of my tiredness [measured on some scale]". xorxes translate
> "so" as {tai}, but I doubt it's always good. Personally I would
> translate it as {paunai ri'a ma mi mutce tatpi}, but this may be
> controversial. "So" is so strange a word...
>
> mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> On 12 Mar, 22:03, ".arpis." <rpglover64+jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> {.i mu'i ma pau nai ni mi tatpi}
>>
>> Also, I think I might be getting blocked by a spam filter or something
>> (Either that or my questions and responses are really boring).
>> {e'o ko doi da spuda}
>> Please someone respond.
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .arpis.
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