Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:33428) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S7ryl-0007TY-MG; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:27:16 -0700 Received: by yhkk25 with SMTP id k25sf3095244yhk.16 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:27:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DNRbLruiXcsvQTdQG8PE+PEhc3SVuKTFaKKvQFoVFuE=; b=jt+MHmVOgLvqevQqKrvsbyw/XmtDq4VXulKBm2ZnBW8ryReRvwkGot7XChqE281AoL yD1yqS3l/VEJbLB/BI/gA1EEAH8pUToOLCsk74oSSQwwaAg7zP2+2uZVloco8kYN39v4 khyB7Zc0+d9mog/s1lQzTbmBvqkAkiE0kibqc= Received: by 10.52.71.232 with SMTP id y8mr374075vdu.18.1331746005470; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:26:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.128.139 with SMTP id k11ls1216545vcs.5.gmail; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:26:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.23.80 with SMTP id k16mr379208vdf.7.1331746003917; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by g2g2000vbs.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:26:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201203132209.51268.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/17.0.963.79 Safari/535.11,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Phrasing question: time intervals From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2388 On 14 Mar, 17:09, ".arpis." wrote: > 2012/3/14 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis : > > > On 13 March 2012 23:09, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 18:52:33 .arpis. wrote: > >>> "I will be free between 9:30 and 10:30 and between 1:00 and 5:00" > >>> {mi zilfre ze'a lo temci be li so pi mu bei li dau pi mu be'o .e lo > >>> temci be li pa bei li mu be'o} > > >>> Is the use of {temci} correct here? {ze'a}? > > > temci2 and temci3 are not numbers, but events. > > You may use {lo se tcika be li...}. > > jbovlaste seems to indicate that they can be times or events, but > point taken that a number is neither. > > > > >>> Is there a shorter way to say it? > > > My suggestion is > > =A0{mi zifre ti'u li so pi mu bi'o pano pi mu jo'u li pa bi'o mu}. > > Do you mean {mi zifre ti'u li so pi mu bi'o *li* pano pi mu jo'u li pa > bi'o *li* mu}? > > > > > You may use {e} instead of {jo'u} if you prefer. > > You could use a single mekso with the union-operator {jo'e}, but I reco= mmend > > limiting the complexity of mekso. > > I'll stay away from mekso for now, thank you very much. > > > > >> I'd say "mi zifre ca li so pi'e cino bi'obo li pano pi'e cino .e li pa= pi'e > >> bi'obo li mu pi'e". jbofi'e doesn't like that; it wants "lo'o" (the te= rminator > >> for "li") before "bi'o". One of the "bo" is necessary but the other is= n't. > > > {ca} tags an event. A number is not an event. {ca lo se tcika be li...}= should > > be acceptable. Even so, I don't think {ca} implies that the freeness ex= tends > > along the whole interval, just that it intersects it. > > True, but pragmatics would dictate that, even if I'm not available > throughout the entire interval, any point you request within the > interval is valid. Would {ze'e} work for this? Like {mi sipna ze'e lo prulamdei} =96 "Yesterday I was sleeping all day"? It's just a guess, I'm rarely sure what will come out of using a tense as a tag. mu'o mi'e ianek --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.