Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:55342) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S8GhB-0005Po-ET; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:50:53 -0700 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50sf2863472eek.16 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:50:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=paVgUTxHfj09Y7IjKPi5wOU8U5gLPTaQ2w6gfoSFC2I=; b=mBka/7SSma/zqu3RO4yYzROKNlIDrn//KLf75q1h6/CI0fWtbOq9xZqayV+ZylQZne Ya5YxIKm7jvP8KWmPcT4X8qZyz16B/2ez0bt69VCiPkSc5gb+qS44Bq8fYHusisD07M1 i7nB/6j8EovQLV6QghONnfE8lQiSt0AJDnpCc= Received: by 10.205.134.132 with SMTP id ic4mr824196bkc.28.1331841014580; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:50:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.165.76 with SMTP id h12ls5005720bky.5.gmail; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.133.213 with SMTP id g21mr852858bkt.3.1331841012897; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.133.213 with SMTP id g21mr852857bkt.3.1331841012874; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba12si3491682bkb.2.2012.03.15.12.50.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.47; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com with SMTP id w12so3906392lag.34 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.112.100 with SMTP id ip4mr5971918lab.1.1331841012616; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4F622920.3040601@plasmatix.com> References: <26361784.259.1331827845548.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjw14> <4F622920.3040601@plasmatix.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:50:12 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Pivotal sentences in Pandunia. How to express them in Lojban ? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040838fd744e7b04bb4d666d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 6792 --f46d040838fd744e7b04bb4d666d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not bothering with keeping the exact order the same, and allowing the person the request is being made of to be implicit, {mi cpedu lonu do rinsa [ko'a,zo'e,lo prenu, etc.]} On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 AM, selpa'i wrote: > mi cpedu fi do fe lo nu vo'i rinsa [ko'a]/zo'e > The vo'i is easable inferrable from context though. (In this case, > repeating do would be shorter, too. But with longer sumti, it's a different > story) > > Am 15.03.2012 17:10, schrieb gleki: > > Here is an example if a sentence in Pandunia > language. > mi peti ti tshau ta. = I ask you to say hello to him. > parsing: [I ask you greet he/she/it] > > So the second "sumti" *ti *in *mi peti ti *becomes the first "sumti" of > the next construction "ti tshau ta". > > I wonder whether it's possible to do so in Lojban. May {be} or {.i ri} > can do the trick > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/u__MPlGXSw4J. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna > .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d040838fd744e7b04bb4d666d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not bothering with keeping the exact order the same, and allowing the perso= n the request is being made of to be implicit, {mi cpedu lonu do rinsa [ko&= #39;a,zo'e,lo prenu, etc.]}

On Thu, M= ar 15, 2012 at 11:38 AM, selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:
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mi cpedu fi do fe lo nu vo'i rinsa [ko'a]/zo'e
The vo'i is easable inferrable from context though. (In this case, repeating do would be shorter, too. But with longer sumti, it's a different story)

Am 15.03.2012 17:10, schrieb gleki:
Here is an example if a sentence in Pandunia language.
mi peti ti tshau ta. =3D I ask you to say hello to him.=A0
parsing: [I ask you greet=A0he/she/it]

So the second "sumti" ti in mi peti ti=A0becomes the first "sumti" of the next construction "ti tshau= ta".

I wonder whether it's possible to do so in Lojban. May {be} or {.i ri} can do the trick

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