Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:44101) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S8ZFm-0007RX-IF; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:39:51 -0700 Received: by fabs1 with SMTP id s1sf3435459fab.16 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:39:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lvapyfCrdlEYfkWY+nQ0r8/7phecon5u90gju/U9oxQ=; b=2DhzvK9xC1HDE8DVoBVi8BOzrAxgtk9wGFlRHVDGsUovuN85dxRnE/Ub9dq6xkktGC VKSC8Ksw7jTIRQTW5x5ysZSqdZahaW1F2OpN3lO/jqyjIQFvpkMwGtpYychd2tIZmvSx uyaEa8iNyidsPTqmf8VSjmrBJNM2+olNxRDh0= Received: by 10.205.134.17 with SMTP id ia17mr213121bkc.23.1331912351210; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:39:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.142.4 with SMTP id jg4ls5785468bkc.6.gmail; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr310215bkv.6.1331912349476; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr310213bkv.6.1331912349429; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f46.google.com (mail-bk0-f46.google.com [209.85.214.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba12si6699309bkb.2.2012.03.16.08.39.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.46; Received: by mail-bk0-f46.google.com with SMTP id ik5so4441906bkc.33 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:39:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.152.27 with SMTP id e27mr1133438bkw.55.1331912349242; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.119.4 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:39:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <32656581.370.1331277547632.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbed8> References: <13108417.226.1331267756499.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbkc1> <17799116.250.1331273610516.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbai14> <32656581.370.1331277547632.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbed8> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:39:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] {me ko'a} instead of {broda} ? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d03a672d55604bb5e0235 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 12636 --0015175d03a672d55604bb5e0235 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While you can use the me construction, what you want (but why you would want it, I don't know ;-) ) is ko'a ponse re gusta cei broda [no'e pa finpe broda ku jo'u pa za'e pankeiki broda] --gejyspa On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:19 AM, gleki wrote: > OK. So imagine that one restaurant is a fish restaurant. Another one is a > pancake restaurant. > > A fish one. > A pancake one. > > How do I refer do them in the following text ? > > Obviously English word "one" should correspond to {broda} or {ko'a}. How > do I achieve this ? > > > On Friday, March 9, 2012 10:32:21 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >> >> You want the term ko'e to refer to the two restaurants collectively, you >> want {ko'e goi re gusta}, or {ko'e goi re le gusta} if you want to explicit >> about specificity. >> >> If you want to refer to them individually, I don't think that's possible >> with only one term. >> >> What you have means the pretty much same thing as what I wrote, although >> your ko'e assignment is different and your bridi is obviously much more >> complicated: >> ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta >> ko'a owns two of something that is amongst (ko'e = one or more things >> that actually is a restaraunt). >> Ko'a owns two things that are ko'e, where ko'e is "one or more >> restaraunts" >> >> ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta >> ko'a owns (ko'e = two restaraunts). >> ko'a owns ko'e, where ko'e is "two restaraunts" >> >> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:13 PM, gleki wrote: >> >>> No ! What you suggest is that {ko'e} is two restaurants. But I need >>> {ko'e} to be each of the restaurants ! >>> >>> >>> On Friday, March 9, 2012 9:18:50 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>> >>>> I would go with {ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta}. It seems to me you're >>>> overthinking it a tad. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:35 PM, gleki wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wonder how to express the phrase "he is the owner of two cafes" >>>>> using {ko'a} ("he") and {ko'e} (each of the cafes) >>>>> >>>>> {ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta} ? >>>>> >>>>> {broda} series won't work if in the following text each of the cafes >>>>> is described. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/* >>>>> *ms**g/lojban-beginners/-/**kszrSxLem**-wJ >>>>> . >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.*** >>>>> *com . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**g**ooglegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group >>>>> **/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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=A0 While you can use the me construction, what you want (= but why you would want it, I don't know ;-) ) is=A0
ko'a ponse = re gusta cei broda [no'e pa finpe broda ku jo'u pa za'e pankeik= i broda]

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:19 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.c= om> wrote:
OK. So imagine that one restaurant is a fish= restaurant. Another one is a pancake restaurant.

A fish= one.
A pancake one.

How do I refer do them=A0in th= e following text ?

Obviously English word &quo= t;one" should correspond to {broda} or {ko'a}. How do I achieve th= is ?


On Friday, March 9, 2012 10:32:21 AM UTC+4, aiony= s wrote:
You want the term ko'e = to refer to the two restaurants collectively, you want {ko'e goi re gus= ta}, or {ko'e goi re le gusta} if you want to explicit about specificit= y.

If you want to refer to them individually, I don't think that's= possible with only one term.

What you have means the pretty much same thing as what I wrote, althoug= h your ko'e assignment is different and your bridi is obviously much mo= re complicated:
ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta
ko'= a owns two of something that is amongst (ko'e =3D one or more things th= at actually is a restaraunt).
Ko'a owns two things that are ko'e, where ko'e is "one or = more restaraunts"

ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta
ko= 9;a owns (ko'e =3D two restaraunts).
ko'a owns ko'e, where k= o'e is "two restaraunts"

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:13 PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
No ! What you suggest is that {ko'e} is two restaurants. But I need {ko= 'e} to be each of the restaurants !


On Frid= ay, March 9, 2012 9:18:50 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
I would go with {ko'a ponse ko'e goi re gusta}. It seems to me you&= #39;re overthinking it a tad.

On Thu, Mar= 8, 2012 at 9:35 PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder how to express the phrase "he = is the owner of two cafes" using {ko'a} ("he") and {ko&#= 39;e} (each of the cafes)

{ko'a ponse lo re me ko'e goi lo gusta} ?
=
{broda} series won't work if in the following text each = of the cafes is described.

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