Why not create a ne= w short cmavo for {lo su'u ri} ?

On Friday, March 16, 2012 7:42:29 P= M UTC+4, .arpis. wrote:

I would= interpret {mi cpedu fi do poi rinsa mi} as "I ask [something]
of you, w= ho greets me." This is not the only interpretation (depending
on context= ), but the {poi} functions as a description, not the
request.
I respec= t you too much to lie to you zo'o ru'e, so I can't tell you
that your su= ggestion is correct.
What I can tell you is that I would translate "I= ask you to greet me"
(If I wanted to mention the pronouns) as {mi cpedu= lo nu do rinsa mi},
which leaves the person being asked implicit, but t= aken in the present
tense, I can't easily think of a {te cpedu} that isn= 't {do}.
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:56 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
> On Friday, March 16, 2012 4:32:38 PM UTC+4, stevo wr= ote:
>>
>> Indeed, it's not a competition. Therefore ther= e are neither victors nor
>> losers. And Lojban is *so* imperfect,= in *so* many ways.
>
>
> Oh please don't tell me that ! = Tell me that I'm right in my suggeston for
> {mi cpedu fi do poi rins= a mi}.
> I hope there are no traditions in lojban for expressing this= or that. And
> therefore may be we can invent something that will so= und nice and laconic
> but still within the baseline.
>
>= Or tell me that may be we should try creating another bunch of gismu, may = be
> a hundred or so (zo'o) that will work better.
>
>>= ;
>> But it's still fun to learn and use.
>>
>><= br>>> stevo
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:15 AM, = gleki <g= leki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of= course I know that Pandunia lacks other nice features.
>>> I w= ant Lojban to be the best in every feature, not most features. It's
>= >> not a competition.
>>> The victory over other logical = projects must be total.
>>>
>>> The question is sim= ilar to recent discussion about {kakne} - x1 is
>>> capable of = {x2} which accomplishes the requirement of pivotal sentences
>>>= ; whereas many other gismu do not.
>>> {mi cpedu lonu do rinsa = [ko'a,zo'e,lo prenu, etc.]} is not the answer.
>>> It's too amb= iguous. Where is x3 ? Who are you asking this for ?
>>> It's li= ke {mi kakne lo nu do rinsa mi} - an impractical solution that
>>&= gt; could be logically possible.
>>> Compare with {djica} = - {mi djica lo nu do rinsa mi} - that *is* within
>>> the = baseline.
>>>
>>> The major flaw in Lojban is that = it cannot compactly express "I ask you
>>> to greet me". You ha= ve to say
>>> {mi cpedu [fe] lo nu do rinsa [ku] [fi] do}
&g= t;>> And here is the lack of compactness (two valsi {do} instead of o= ne).
>>> Even English (not Pandunia !) is better. "I ask y= ou to greet me" -
>>> absolutely no need to repeat the word "yo= u".
>>>
>>>
>>> SO THE MAJOR FLAW OF LO= JBAN IS THE LACK OF CONNECTION BETWEEN SUMTI in
>>> many gismu.=
>>> I can see only one solution.
>>> {mi cpedu fi = do poi rinsa} therefore completely ignoring x2 (the act of
>>> = ignoring at least won't break the baseline).
>>> But I'm not su= re whether it preserves the needed meaning.
>>>
>>>= On Friday, March 16, 2012 10:31:11 AM UTC+4, Oleksii Melnyk wrote:
>= >>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15 March 2012 18:10= , gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>&= gt;>>> So the second "sumti" ti in mi peti ti becomes the fir= st "sumti" of the
>>>>> next construction "ti tshau ta".<= br>>>>>> I wonder whether it's possible to do so in Lojban. = May {be} or {.i ri}
>>>>> can do the trick
>>>= ;>
>>>>
>>>> >Pandunia ... lacks other = complex grammatical structures ...
>>>>
>>>> = while lojban mandates them. So, in that example, it's hard to ?factor?
&= gt;>>> the sumti out of the abstraction. In some specific cases yo= u can get close
>>>> enough with:
>>>>
>= ;>>> 1. common set of sumti with 2 =ABbridi tails=BB - with revers= ed order,
>>>> common comes first
>>>> 2. NOI= , with the hardcoded semantic
>>>>
>>>> -->>>> mi'e lex mu'o
>>>>
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