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 Content preview:  On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:17:34PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
    > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
    wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 07:05:32PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
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    wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 04:57:58PM -0700, Lindar wrote:
    > > > > > UI is not a replacement for whole phrases. 《.au mi > > > > >
   sipna》means 《mi sipna》 and you feel desire about it. > > > > > 《.e'o
    rinsa》 means 《rinsa》 and you're suggesting > > > > > something by it.
    > > > > > > > > That is not currently the case in the language, as you are
    > > > > well aware, given your note at the end of > > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section:%20Irrealis%20Attitudinals
    > > > > > > > > {.au mi sipna} most definitely does *not* currently assert
    > > > > {mi sipna}. > > > > > > > > -Robin > > > > > > > > > > My understanding
    of that note means that it could mean any > > > combination of "I desire
   that I sleep." and "I'm sleeping, > > > about which I feel desire." > > >
   > > > Personally, I don't see much use for the second > > > interpretation,
    but based on the note, it's a valid one. > > > > Sure, if you read *the note*.
    The note is Lindar's opinion, it > > is not the current state of the language.
    The current state is > > represented by the rest of the page. > > > > -Robin
    > > > > Well, as long as the current state is that the latter is wrong, >
    I'm happy, then. [...] 
 
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:17:34PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>=20
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 07:05:32PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 04:57:58PM -0700, Lindar wrote:
> > > > > UI is not a replacement for whole phrases. =E3=80=8A.au mi
> > > > > sipna=E3=80=8Bmeans =E3=80=8Ami sipna=E3=80=8B and you feel desir=
e about it.
> > > > > =E3=80=8A.e'o rinsa=E3=80=8B means =E3=80=8Arinsa=E3=80=8B and yo=
u're suggesting
> > > > > something by it.
> > > >
> > > > That is not currently the case in the language, as you are
> > > > well aware, given your note at the end of
> > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK%20Section:%20Irrealis%20Attitudinal=
s
> > > >
> > > > {.au mi sipna} most definitely does *not* currently assert
> > > > {mi sipna}.
> > > >
> > > > -Robin
> > > >
> > >
> > > My understanding of that note means that it could mean any
> > > combination of "I desire that I sleep." and "I'm sleeping,
> > > about which I feel desire."
> > >
> > > Personally, I don't see much use for the second
> > > interpretation, but based on the note, it's a valid one.
> >
> > Sure, if you read *the note*.  The note is Lindar's opinion, it
> > is not the current state of the language.  The current state is
> > represented by the rest of the page.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
>=20
> Well, as long as the current state is that the latter is wrong,
> I'm happy, then.

Yes, currently {.au mi sipna} means only "I want to sleep", or
something very much like it.

-Robin

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