Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:45578) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S99o5-0003RG-Qc; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:41:41 -0700 Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12sf1690492wib.16 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:41:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=z2fDTBLNBjO3U0c2LOi/JOUkyB7JudMWkJL25D4dOqQ=; b=5gqWPwx27pG3XXjTnUHP6+H3D+MT3HIGYsr//7R2jGBP6vfitTVW8/g+W/OKQseSA9 ottigAkSSFHMV/Vu7Hwr6j9WKia9U+ey1e1eS/Mg0Ydh1Dwta6mVM9r956KAOX6u+Ox8 JLHhnlGMmcfhBaBpjeINRtAQ1I0wnIyh6Ee2g= Received: by 10.216.133.95 with SMTP id p73mr366847wei.25.1332052862910; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.14.83 with SMTP id c61ls9810039wec.4.gmail; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.87.165 with SMTP id az5mr813708wib.4.1332052861875; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.87.165 with SMTP id az5mr813707wib.4.1332052861856; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ga1si2695760wib.2.2012.03.17.23.41.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.173; Received: by wibhq7 with SMTP id hq7so1976868wib.8 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.79.135 with SMTP id j7mr10459976wix.19.1332052861637; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.91.68 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:41:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: [lojban-beginners] Reuse request From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428ff4a3d48e04bb7eb93c X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 10183 --f46d04428ff4a3d48e04bb7eb93c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, but those aren't exactly the same. They are both bad grammar, yes, but for different reasons. The English one is not bad because of not starting a new sentence when it should have. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > Oh, didn't realize we were suppose to read the panels 3 seconds apart. > That's gonna take an awfully long time to read :-P > > (It goes back to the whole "modelling correct behavior" issue, I think. > Would you like a strip teaching English that says, "Look! I see man with > three balloon red"?) > --gejyspa > > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> No, there's no need. The fact of the text being in separate panels is >> enough. In panels where a single person is saying multiple sentences, they >> are separated with {.i}. >> >> If a person said {coi}, and then 3 seconds later said {mi do nelci}, >> would you think they were talking to themselves about something you like? >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:54 AM, wrote: >> >>> Il giorno , Michael Turniansky ha scritto: >>> >>> > Should we insist on .i separators in the second and subsequent >>> panels? >>> >>> I think we should. I always envisaged lojban comics dialags to be a >>> continous stream of text for each character speaking. >>> >>> One might think that there's an implicit {.i} at the begininng of a new >>> balloon but this would break some dialogue that uses multiple balloons for >>> a single utterance (for example to show a different point of view in a new >>> panel). >>> >>> I once experimented with using ":" as an alternative ortography for {.i} >>> (just imagine the initial dot and the small dot over the "i" to be >>> re-arranged in space) but it doesn't seem to have caught on. There's an >>> example here: >>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=751. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d04428ff4a3d48e04bb7eb93c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, but those aren't exactly the same. They are both bad grammar, yes, = but for different reasons. The English one is not bad because of not starti= ng a new sentence when it should have.

On= Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> = wrote:
=A0 Oh, didn't realize = we were suppose to read the panels 3 seconds apart. =A0That's gonna tak= e an awfully long time to read :-P

=A0 =A0(It goes back to the whole "modelling correct be= havior" issue, I think. =A0Would you like a strip teaching English tha= t says, "Look! I see man with three balloon red"?)
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
No, there's no need. The fact of the tex= t being in separate panels is enough. In panels where a single person is sa= ying multiple sentences, they are separated with {.i}.

If a person said {coi}, and then 3 seconds later said {mi do nelci}, wo= uld you think they were talking to themselves about something you like?


On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:54 AM, <rdenta= to@gmail.com> wrote:
Il giorno , Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> = =A0 Should we insist on .i separators in the second and subsequent panels?<= br>
I think we should. I always envisaged lojban comics dialags to be= a continous stream of text for each character speaking.

One might t= hink that there's an implicit {.i} at the begininng of a new balloon bu= t this would break some dialogue that uses multiple balloons for a single u= tterance (for example to show a different point of view in a new panel).
I once experimented with using ":" as an alternative ortograp= hy for {.i} (just imagine the initial dot and the small dot over the "= i" to be re-arranged in space) but it doesn't seem to have caught = on. There's an example here: http://www.loj= ban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=3D751 .

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