Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:61481) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S9Doz-0004fd-Lj; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:58:47 -0700 Received: by obbup19 with SMTP id up19sf446150obb.16 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:58:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7OpqBZFtsw/1zzblJb/PPwfjhjQIA5xr0od6y7X4yiI=; b=t+Vcjb1JqC3ISCoQFm+xGqOeXRtJRXWngM4Zp9Y6YfAbyLmXEEQbqOTW8ki8GNxNQh c3HEX4P7DPiwWk2hP2Pg8N2z8qPZyxwjIvs8SWqQwsurt8PTwb4vn1ON7DUtNiW5FXCJ tKtO1BxgOx7V8TxXxml2K3QNn5QIb5NcjO3ZQ= Received: by 10.236.178.98 with SMTP id e62mr1123536yhm.15.1332068297681; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:58:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.16.39 with SMTP id g27ls8106766yhg.9.gmail; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.244.5 with SMTP id r5mr3410706anh.7.1332068296968; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.244.5 with SMTP id r5mr3410705anh.7.1332068296954; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i36si2725285anp.0.2012.03.18.03.58.16; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02EC8216CE for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:58:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] In London in Britain - the shortest way to say that ? Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:58:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <368493.3339.1332057773910.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynkz21> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201203180658.14224.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1031 On Sunday, March 18, 2012 05:49:09 Jonathan Jones wrote: > lo vi stuzi or ti, not lo ti stuzi. > > I'd go with: > > lo vi stuzi cu diklo la.lyndyn.poi la.brityn. Not grammatical; "poi la brityn mo?". The correct translation depends on at least two things: 1. Is this place something that the speaker is pointing to, or is he referring to something he previously said? (ti/di'u) 2. Is "that is in Britain" distinguishing London, England, from another city named London, or just saying where London is? la'e di'u zvati la .london. noi selstu la .ritygug. .i ti zvati la .london. poi selstu la .ritygug. mu'omi'e .pier. -- ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.