Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:39944) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S9Fos-0005UT-8U; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:06:48 -0700 Received: by lbbgi4 with SMTP id gi4sf2951276lbb.16 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:06:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=19VCx1CGQuKzlgYx3gVTB6CPeERcW9lWY5vgwc8z4fE=; b=LrdmHw54L09/eS1uwxesmJG5UoLnNheRRuqqFDkaFMgmhPkb95zbM8Sh9UCX6Xna8d mD2s+q296DXwi54dX0UhTUQ/jD/oIp7F897q0erHok8QKkN6dvwfep/vDqNZaKcRERMa 2HtKzctDlgSoIUHrsMm916U/2Kr3YMkcr3AUQ= Received: by 10.204.155.72 with SMTP id r8mr634899bkw.26.1332075976909; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:06:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.128.220 with SMTP id l28ls7230895bks.8.gmail; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr772597bkw.7.1332075975420; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr772596bkw.7.1332075975397; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si14012619bkz.0.2012.03.18.06.06.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.46; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com with SMTP id j13so6063831lah.33 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:06:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.25.40 with SMTP id z8mr3259070lbf.11.1332075975126; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 06:06:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201203180658.14224.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <368493.3339.1332057773910.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynkz21> <201203180658.14224.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 07:06:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] In London in Britain - the shortest way to say that ? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040122a34faf4004bb841b30 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 5051 --f46d040122a34faf4004bb841b30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday, March 18, 2012 05:49:09 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > lo vi stuzi or ti, not lo ti stuzi. > > > > I'd go with: > > > > lo vi stuzi cu diklo la.lyndyn.poi la.brityn. > > Not grammatical; "poi la brityn mo?". The correct translation depends on at > least two things: > 1. Is this place something that the speaker is pointing to, or is he > referring > to something he previously said? (ti/di'u) > 2. Is "that is in Britain" distinguishing London, England, from another > city > named London, or just saying where London is? > It could be either. I'm sure there are other cities named London, after all. I'm not exactly sure which way the OP means, so I can't really give a definitive answer. Also, thanks for reminding me that you can't poi a sumti. > > la'e di'u zvati la .london. noi selstu la .ritygug. > .i ti zvati la .london. poi selstu la .ritygug. > > mu'omi'e .pier. > -- > ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.n= u> wrote:
On Sunday, March 18, 2012 05:49:09 Jonathan Jones wrote:<= br> > lo vi stuzi or ti, not lo ti stuzi.
>
> I'd go with:
>
> lo vi stuzi cu diklo la.lyndyn.poi la.brityn.

Not grammatical; "poi la brityn mo?". The correct translati= on depends on at
least two things:
1. Is this place something that the speaker is pointing to, or is he referr= ing
to something he previously said? (ti/di'u)
2. Is "that is in Britain" distinguishing London, England, from a= nother city
named London, or just saying where London is?

It c= ould be either. I'm sure there are other cities named London, after all= . I'm not exactly sure which way the OP means, so I can't really gi= ve a definitive answer. Also, thanks for reminding me that you can't po= i a sumti.
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la'e di'u zvati la .london. noi selstu la .ritygug.
.i ti zvati la .london. poi selstu la .ritygug.

mu'omi'e .pier.
--
ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji

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