Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:44197) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S9y6R-0006kz-96; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:23:52 -0700 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50sf5773657eek.16 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:23:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eCGPNerSR4ez7m11P8Rw2JONglA/HwaFYLvlVMYbf7I=; b=MdoeJyBswQS9DztCPJTj5Gta5KuyhDzTpsr5dSXauoe6J6AM6Cn/xNRMOkLTci8H6C 0putzULLzy7mQg4gmaoKFTZ+KHW3aoykWur67gr0mnhGcajf6lssz2eZu8hJws/kwdaV rS/qrCu1EQU6raL7/VtOolSn9ISRRx/NEgsMA= Received: by 10.204.13.80 with SMTP id b16mr1071676bka.5.1332246202083; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:23:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.45.87 with SMTP id d23ls314917bkf.2.gmail; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr1516856bks.0.1332246200338; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr1516855bks.0.1332246200302; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com (mail-lb0-f178.google.com [209.85.217.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cs9si1726405bkb.3.2012.03.20.05.23.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.178; Received: by lbbgi11 with SMTP id gi11so5073117lbb.23 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:23:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.112.100 with SMTP id ip4mr12104273lab.1.1332246199667; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:23:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <19229634.6385.1332243517469.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynne2> References: <24143939.1398.1332138901295.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynnk21> <19229634.6385.1332243517469.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynne2> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:23:19 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040838fd7c0cc104bbabbdde X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 8025 --f46d040838fd7c0cc104bbabbdde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, in that case, I recommend cu, not ku. cu is actually easily elidable, unlike ku. I believe we determined not long ago that in the worst case, it would take a maximum of three terminators in the absence of cu to correctly terminate a grammatical structure, and rarely more than one. cu is kind of like an optional half-.i, in that whereas .i implicitly adds whatever terminators are required to end the previous sentence and begin a new one, cu does the same, but only up the point of the selbri (, and please keep in mind that that is where my comparison ends- I doubt there are any other similarities between cu and .i). On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM, gleki wrote: > Well. We are preparing a textbook that will teach how to speak lojban. > But this textbook must use as few words as possible. > I wanna get rid of all words that can be replaced by other words. > > It's a textbook for newbies. So don't worry. It will be an introduction to > Lojban. > > On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:49:14 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote: >> >> Even if it is possible to eliminate {ku} in speech, why would you want to? >> >> stevo >> >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:35 AM, gleki wrote: >> >>> Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? Can we >>> rearrange words in extreme cases and use other cmavo like {kei} and {cu} ? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>> msg/lojban-beginners/-/**P3eUQjPdbJsJ >>> . >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**com >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>> . >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/GaqDxupbMXQJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d040838fd7c0cc104bbabbdde Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, in that case, I recommend cu, not ku. cu is actually easily elidable,= unlike ku. I believe we determined not long ago that in the worst case, it= would take a maximum of three terminators in the absence of cu to correctl= y terminate a grammatical structure, and rarely more than one.

cu is kind of like an optional half-.i, in that whereas .i implicitly a= dds whatever terminators are required to end the previous sentence and begi= n a new one, cu does the same, but only up the point of the selbri (, and p= lease keep in mind that that is where my comparison ends- I doubt there are= any other similarities between cu and .i).

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.= name@gmail.com> wrote:
Well. We are preparing a textbook that will teach how to speak lojban.
= But this textbook must use as few words as possible.
I wanna get = rid of all words that can be replaced by other words.

It's a tex= tbook for newbies. So don't worry. It will be an introduction to Lojban= .

On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:49:14 AM UTC+4, ste= vo wrote:
Even if it is possible to= =A0eliminate=A0{ku} in speech, why would you want to?

stevo

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:35 A= M, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku}= in speech ? Can we rearrange words in extreme cases and use other cmavo li= ke {kei} and {cu} ?

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